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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Hey, what if you backslide? Is

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it impossible for you to come back to Christ? What if you are in church and you

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profess faith, but are you really a believer? Are you going to heaven? What is the

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Bible say? Can you come back after you have fallen away? Can you come back after

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you have sinned? Let's see what the Bible says. Let's see. Let's hear what God has to say about this.

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We have everybody welcome to the show today and we're glad that you're with us and we want to

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always, always invite you to tell others if in any way shape or form that are getting together

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is something that communicates to you, something that's challenging, makes you think, makes you

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research the scriptures or the news or whatever we might be talking about. Even though I'm a pastor

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and a Bible teacher, I don't want to limit my life in any way shape or form, but I want to take

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my faith everywhere I go and into every topic of life. I'm a big fan of full biblical immersion

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into all things of this world. I think I got that from Jesus and simply reading the Bible. I didn't

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read it in a book, I didn't hear it in a sermon. It just makes sense to me that everything that you

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and I experience in life, from breathing to reading to movie to news to you name the topic, you name

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the discipline, biology, archaeology, the sciences, I believe that the Bible leads the way. I really do

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and that said, if there's anything that we discuss to help your friends out or to even challenge

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your friends or to maybe even, what's the word, putting it nicely, exhort them. In other words,

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create a healthy argument about truth, then we're all for that and we're excited about that.

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So I want to go to a verse that or a passage of scripture that I heard recently, it's been

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brought up numerous times. It depends on what's going on, but it's always been a very controversial

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passage of scripture. It's again something that should not be controversial, but when we read

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the Bible in its context, when we ask the diagnostic questions of either the book of the Bible that

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we're reading or the author himself could be John, it could be Matthew, it could be Moses. What do we

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know about them? What can we know about them? What can we find out about them? When did they write?

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That's by the way you can know that. When did they write? What was going on in their world,

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in world history at that time? What was happening? What was the chronology? And what was the

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atmospherics of their age? For example, the New Testament. So what was life like in the New Testament

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era of the first, say, 200 years from the advent of Christ? Those things are extremely important to

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know. And when we don't know them, we wind up falling into ill interpretations of scripture that

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wind up often leading us to wrong conclusions. Please understand that God didn't give us the Bible

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to confuse us or mess us up, the exact opposite. People get ahold of the Bible and they wind up messing

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it up. You've heard me say it before that we should just let the Bible speak. And we let the

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Bible speak whenever we read it and we read it in its context. Let me say this. I'm a real

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I'm a real vociferous, is that the right word outspoken? I am passionate about

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avoiding random, called it Bible, roulette, type of reading. If you get up in the morning and

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it's Monday and you think, I'm going to read John chapter 7 and you read John chapter 7. And

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then you get up on Tuesday and you read Ezekiel 9. And then you get up on Wednesday and you read

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Revelation 21. And then you get up on Thursday and you read Exodus 3. You are going to be so messed

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up. You need to avoid that because what you want to do is understand first of all that the Bible

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was never given with chapter verse references. Now don't get me wrong. Is there a book of Esther?

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Yes, there's a book of Esther. By the way, side note, Lisa and I were in Oxford, England not all

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that long ago. And we went to a museum. There's many of them there. But we went to the

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Oshmulean Museum that is right next door to Oxford University. And it was awesome because as we're

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walking through this, we were looking at artifacts and things from the Persian Empire and from the

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Babylonian Empire and from Egypt as well. But one of the things that they had there, they had a

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section there on Esther. Isn't that great? Why do I think that's great? Because the Bible is a book

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of facts. The Bible is not a book of stories. And in the West anyway, we get all weird about that

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because we grew up going to Sunday school listening to Bible stories. And that is very sad.

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That's not the case. You went to Sunday school. But listen, you actually learned about

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factual events. They weren't stories, but we call them stories. The church that I pastor,

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the staff, children's ministry, youth ministry, pulpit ministry, I forbid the word story to be

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connected to the Bible. It's not a story. And so listen, all that to say, when we pick up, for

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example, the book of Hebrews. And that's where we're going here in a moment. The book of Hebrews,

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for those of you who don't know, is written in the New Testament. The authorship is always been in

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question because the author does not name himself. There are some really good arguments for various

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authors of that could have written it. There are speculations. But if you're going to speculate,

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it doesn't matter. But most scholars come to the conclusion that the book of Hebrews is known as

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being Pauline in its architecture, in its linguistics, its logic, its syntax, the way that it flows

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the introduction or the argumentation for a fact, or for a doctrine in the book of Hebrews,

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is extremely, extremely parallel to Paul's arguments, for example, in the book of Galatians,

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or the book of Romans. But it doesn't matter. That's not our point right now, but the point that

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I'm making is that we should always dive into the Bible more carefully. And here's the reason why

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you should, among many reasons, is that the more you dive into the depth of the Bible,

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and unpack words that are found in verses, that are found in chapters, that are found in a book,

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it matters. So the early church, and I forget the year, forgive me, you can look it up, but there

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wasn't, there was a time when the book, for example, of Joshua, or Mark, was divided up into chapter

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number references with chapter verse references for memorization or location purposes.

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So in the old days, when you picked up the book of Ruth, you didn't read chapter one, chapter two,

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chapter three, you read the book of Ruth. So that said, when we read the book of Hebrews,

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you're supposed to pick it up, what we would call chapter one, verse one, but let's just say we

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pick it up and we read through it. Okay, very, very good thing to do. Stop looking at the numbers

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of reference. That said, what's the name of the book? The book of Hebrews, but it's in the New

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Testament. That wouldn't, shouldn't it be in the Old Testament? No, not at all. Because the first

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century church was Jewish or Gentile in context, in its origin. Jewish, the gospel was first

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preached to the Jews. The Jews got converted, that is, the Jews, can I put it to you this way?

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Judaism is what man has done to the Old Testament scriptures. So let's take the word Judaism and

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throw it away. Put it over here. If you read from Genesis through to Malachi and keep reading and

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Matthew, if you didn't have any chapter verse numbers, life would be so much easier because it

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would flow so perfectly that it makes total sense that these Jews, having come out of the Old Testament,

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having read it, it's natural for them to come to the conclusion that the Messiah, the anointed one

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spoken of in the Old Testament, was the one that was born in Bethlehem based on Old Testament doctrine.

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People think that the Christmas story, the Christmas account, the Christmas event is something made up.

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Nope, it's Old Testament prophecy fulfilled recorded in the New. Having said that, when we keep

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reading, we come to the book of Hebrews and it's an amazing thing because if you're Jewish,

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it unlocks to you a deeper understanding of the book of Levedicus.

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It's this reporter's opinion that you'll never understand clearly either one of those books fully,

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unless you read Levedicus in Hebrews and Hebrews in Levedicus because one answers the other.

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And in saying that, these were believers in Yeshua and they had come to faith understanding,

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wow, we get it, we got it now. He's the answer. And yet like any group of people who watch my

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fingers believe, there are some who believe in the group and some who say that they believe in the

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group. It's true for the church that you attend. Wouldn't it be great if everybody at your church

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was a born again believer in going to heaven? The fact is you don't know that. They might all say,

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they know the Lord, they might all say that they're born again, but are they really? You will not know

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that. You will not know that. The only way for you to know that is for you to go home with them

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and see how they live their life behind closed doors for 30 days. And then you'll know if they're

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really followers of Jesus. Remember, church is a place we go to to get refueled in the truth of

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God and to use the gifts of the Spirit that God has given us to minister to the body that sits

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around us in that community of friends and acquaintances that we see at church. If you notice you

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you'll sit together in the same spot predominantly in the same place, challenge. Do you know the names

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of those people that you see every week? Get to know them. This coming Sunday, ask them out to lunch,

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say, we seem like we sit pretty close together most of the time. Let's go out and let's go to lunch.

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Invite them out. Get to know one another. But until then, we assume that we are a church that is

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full of believers. Look, I hope if the rapture happens today that there's nobody left at the church

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I pastor, that would be awesome. But in reality, it's possible that the church that I pastor,

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there will be a lot of people still coming on Sunday after the rapture. Wouldn't that be sad?

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It's possible, but we need to understand the scriptures. And here's one of the big things that we

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need to talk about. For it is impossible, I'm sorry, Hebrews 6 verses 4, 5 and 6. Hebrews 6, 4, 5 and 6.

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For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift

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and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the good word of God and the

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powers of the age to come. If they fall away to renew them again to repentance since they

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crucify again for themselves the Son of God and put him to open shame. So people have read that

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passage of Scripture, Hebrews 6 verses 4, 5 and 6. And they have somehow concluded that

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you can lose your salvation. I must admit that that at first glance is a simple, easy, lazy way

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to come to your conclusion. It's like, oh wow, look at that. If you fall away, it's impossible for

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you to come back because you were once enlightened, you knew about the Holy Spirit, you saw the powers

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of God. And if you sin, if you fall away, it's impossible for you to come back. In other words,

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there's no such thing as a backslider because if you're backslidden, then you have fallen away

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and you can't come back. If you're a backslider, they would say, you lost your salvation.

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Well, I would also argue from this angle, what assurances do we have when we look at this portion of

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Scripture that the author of the book is simply given an exhortation that is very, very technical

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and reveals to us insights. He, first of all, says down at the bottom, at the bottom in verse 6,

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he says to them that if they fall away, they're attempting to crucify for themselves again,

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the Son of God, and by doing so, they put him to open shame. Herein is both the problem and the

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answer to the Scripture that's before us. Whoever they are, they are of Hebrew descent,

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the book is written to the Hebrews, they have the Hebrew traditions in mind, they have Judaism in mind,

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and what they know is this that the warning that is going out in this exhortation by the author

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is that you better make sure that your faith is rooted and grounded in truth. You better know,

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listen, you better know what it is that you believe. So, for example, if you say that you believe

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that John wrote the book of Revelation, why do you believe that? You should be able to answer

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that interrogation. If you say, well, I believe that you can be saved, born again,

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and then become unborn again and become unsaved. Excuse me. You have to prove that in Scripture,

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friends. Show me where the Bible says you can be unborn again. I can show you in Scripture that

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teaches that once you're born again, you're sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption,

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that your name's written down in heaven, and you're secure in Christ because you've been truly

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born again. You're not just a believer. Your belief has taken you to faith.

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In God, faith in the Scripture, and you know it, as the Bible says, these things have been written

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that you might know you have eternal life. Then when we look at this, whoever they are, notice this,

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that they are those who, if they fall away, it's impossible to renew them back for this reason.

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They're looking for themselves to crucify the Son of God again. They're looking for some

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secondary blood offering. They're looking for atonement for their iniquity and they're looking for

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blood or a blood sacrifice because they want to come back. They fell away and they saw the power of

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God while they were walking with you at church. They heard of the Word of God. They saw the power of

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God in action. They sensed the presence of the Spirit of God. They tasted of the good Word of God

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and they were brought to the place of having to think about and to contemplate and hear in a

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sermon that there is a forever coming and they heard all that. If they walk away from that,

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listen, if they walk away from it, this is not a backslidden group of people. A backslider

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believes everything that you and I believe, but they wind up like the prodigal son. They wind up

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drifting off into the weeds. God says in His Word, I'm married to the backslider. Did you know that?

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Go look that up. God says I'm married to the backslider. Backslidden means you've stopped

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going forward with Jesus and because of your detour of knuckleheadedness, you are backslidden and

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heart are your backslidden and you've wandered off. This here is speaking about apostasy.

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To be in a apostate is to traffic with the people of God and to even think emotionally that you

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are one of the very people of God, but down deep inside, the Holy Spirit may have been warning you.

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He may have been seeking to convince you that you're not right. There's been this nagging

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a doubt that you have not been driven to answer the doubt. You've actually been more preoccupied

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with entertaining the doubt. Like, well, you know, it's great being around these people.

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They don't rob and steal from you. They don't take your husband or your wife from you.

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There are moral people. It's a good thing. It's wholesome. It's the American thing to do. Go to

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church on Sunday, you know, and that's good. It's good. Nice social group of people,

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whatever. Plus, it feels in the little gap, the void of my religion. Everybody needs religion,

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by the way. Well, listen, if you have trafficked and had eyewitness experience to the moving of

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God, I hope that the church that you go to, you would experience that on any given Sunday.

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I would hope. So you would say, well, for it is impossible for those who were once in light,

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and you say, well, Jack, what about that? They were enlightened. Yeah, listen, the light came on.

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Hey, that makes sense. Jesus died on the cross for my sins. They would say, that makes sense.

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They're being enlightened, informed. They hear that Jesus died on the cross for them,

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that he was buried on the third day, rose again from the dead. They can even tell you about it.

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But as you continue on, did that reality, did that enlightenment cause them to be changed at the

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core of their very being? It goes on to say that they've tasted the heavenly gift. They have

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tasted. They've sipped. They have sipped of the fact that salvation is God's free gift given

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to all those who repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. They might be even able to tell you

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what the gospel is. They might even be able to recite the gospel. But notice that they've tasted

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the heavenly gift and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit. Well, Jack, there you go. That

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nails it. That means they were actually born again. It's interesting that they were partakers of

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the Holy Spirit. They were eyewitnesses to the workings of the Holy Spirit. But there's no

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evidence here that the Holy Spirit possessed them. They are partakers, but was the Holy Spirit a

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partaker of them. I believe that the Holy Spirit was not a partaker that is owning them

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unto the day of salvation. It says that they also experienced the powers of the age to come.

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Maybe they saw miracles. Maybe they heard about miracles being done. But it says that if they

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fall away to renew the McGendor repentance, remember the meaning is it's impossible to renew the

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McGendor repentance. Oh my goodness, really. So wow, if you read verse 1 and verse 6, the issue is

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these are the ones who fall away. It's impossible to renew them to repentance.

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Then how do you explain the rest of the Bible that says, if you have sinned and fallen away,

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repent and come back? First John 1.9 says, if we confess our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive

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us of our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Did not Peter sin when he denied Jesus

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Christ and ran from Jesus? And yet Jesus is resurrected from the dead. And one of the first

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conversations he has is says, he says to them, tell my disciples, I'll meet them in Galilee and

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make sure you tell Peter. Think about that. If you listen, if you think this means that if you

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backslide, you lose your salvation, then that is to say that you've never, you have never

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had a stagnant season of life with the Lord that you have always been progressing upward and

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with Jesus without any hiccups or bumps along the way, I don't believe you. If that's what you

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think about yourself, I think you're pretty impressed with you. But every single believer has their

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ups and downs, their seasons of flourishing and of desert experiences. And in some of those

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situations, you might even backslide, it may not even be visible, but your heart, for example,

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could be backslidden in worship. You show up before, just before the worship is over at church,

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you get your car in the parking lot and you say things like, we're good, the sermon hasn't started

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yet. They're just doing worship. Oh my goodness, that is backslidden at heart. Or while the sermon's

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done, let's get up and leave real quick because they're just going to do the closing worship song.

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Oh my goodness, that's to be backslidden of heart. Wow. Or to not care that people are going to

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die and go to hell that don't know Jesus, that's to be backslidden at heart. It doesn't mean you've

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lost your salvation. It means you're cold-hearted. You got to, you got to get back to him.

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That's, listen, that is not you. And these that are being described right here in scripture,

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it's my, it's my understanding of scripture here of Hebrew six verses four five and six,

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they were never saved. These people were never saved in the first place because you know what,

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they're looking around a second time trying to find blood to cover their sin. That means that

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the blood that Christ shed for them, they didn't take seriously the first time. They didn't believe in

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it the first time. They had a belief, but it never took them to faith. So, friends, listen,

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when you read Hebrew six verse four, don't think for a moment that it speaks about losing your

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salvation. It speaks about you better make sure you're saved. That's what it's talking to you about.

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This is not a verse to cause you to be insecure as a believer. This is a verse that actually,

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if studied, results in the opposite. If you study this to find out, do I know all about the

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heavenly gift? Have I given myself fully to the Holy Spirit? Have I not just tasted the good

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word of God, but do I consume it and ingest it into my life? Do I live to have God's will lived

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out in my life? You will never go around trying to seek some form of savior or salvation through

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some other blood atonement or go back and revisit the message of Jesus to have him bleed again for

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you? No, my friend, that's to not know the gospel at all. The Bible tells us in the book of Hebrews

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that Christ died once and for all for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus is not suffering today. He's not on

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the cross. I think I've told you guys this before, but do you know the difference between a Christian

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cross, a Protestant cross, and a Catholic cross? Catholics believe that Christ has to suffer in the

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sacrament all the time. But what does the Bible teach? That Christ suffered once and for all,

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never to suffer again. That's the view of the Protestant or the protesters' view because the

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Bible teaches he only suffered once, okay? Very important to understand that. A Protestant cross

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doesn't have Jesus on it. A Catholic cross has to have Jesus on it. One is saying we need more

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blood. We need more suffering. We need him to pay the price again and again and again and again.

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That's not what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches he paid the price once

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and so friends listen to the Jew who came to the fulfillment of being a Jew, the book of Hebrews

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announces. Don't think of wandering away and look for some other blood sacrifice. Make sure examine

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yourself that you are in the faith. Notice the Scripture doesn't say examine yourself to see if

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you're a believer or that you believe. The Scripture says the Bible says examine yourself to

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determine to make sure that you are in the faith of the faith. This is vital. So there's a lot of

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people walking around today as I speak who actually believe or think that they're going to heaven

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and they'll say because I'm going to heaven because and what follows the because. I'm going to

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heaven because because of what? If you have any other answer other than putting your faith fully

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upon Christ his work at the cross has sanctifying victory over the grave to put your faith in

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Christ and Christ alone and in his merit alone not yours to believe him to the point where you've

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put your faith in him to you the Scripture says the doors of eternity of heaven will open up

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wide a great entrance will be granted unto you your name is written down in heaven that the Holy

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Spirit dwells within you as he possesses you and you are sealed by the Spirit of God unto the day

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of redemption that Jesus said whoever will come to me I will never turn them away and they are safe by

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in the hands of my father and in my hands John chapter 10 begin in verse 28.

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When he says to us in Romans nothing shall be able to separate you from the love of God which is

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in Christ Jesus nothing death nor life principality is your powers things spiritual things of

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this world things beneath this world nothing nothing created nothing spiritual nothing physical a

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nuclear bomb nobody nothing can separate you from God salvation if you're saved people don't go

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around and lose their salvation they never had it in the first place think of that well my friend

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went forward at the crusade five years ago but they never went back to church or they kind of

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sort of they just you know I know they love the Lord but they're still doing a lot of their old

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stuff and but I know they love the Lord you know why you tell yourself that you tell yourself that

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because you don't want to confront your friend who's probably not a Christian at all they just

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got a little booster shot of spirituality they felt a tingle up their spine they tasted of the

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heavenly gift and of the powers of the age to come they went forward at the crusade or they raised

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their hand at church and nothing changed they never changed the book of James answers that

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and says if they're changed there'd be good works coming out of their life that bear testimony

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to their confession of faith think of it we give people strangely a lot of grace where there

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shouldn't be any we don't want to talk to them because we get nervous and we don't know what to

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say and we want to assume they're saved so we'll just pat them on the back

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and we will credit them with well I know they went forward seven years ago but there's never

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been a change in their life but I know they love the Lord no you don't you're saying that for you

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they need you to have you come back into their life and say hey what's up I've noticed it's been seven

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years and you're no different you need grace you need to come back and you need to re-evaluate

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because my friend I don't think that day or that night or that moment when you said what you said

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when you did what you did did you even understand what you're doing did you actually repent of your

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sins and believe believe in Jesus Christ at the point to putting faith in him how much has Christ been

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a factor in your daily thought process when you wake up in the morning is not

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Christ Jesus a thought in your mind within the first 30 seconds of waking up

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do you not know that do you not know that that's how a real believer lives that when you

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arouse from dreams or sleep and you you wake up within nanoseconds of time there's actually a

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God thought in your mind like like something like Lord good morning Lord thank you Lord thanks for

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keeping me through the night God I give you this day there's a consciousness and awareness of

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God do you not have that if you don't have that it's because you might be flirting with Hebrews chapter

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six verses four five and six you might be religious but you don't know him oh my goodness friends this

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might be the most important podcast in history regarding you in your future because if you think

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you're going to heaven because and that answer is something other than faith alone in Jesus Christ

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which has resulted in the transformation of your life then you may you may be very self-deceived

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and I don't say that funny and I'm not saying it to be mean if I'm hated by 10,000 people

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and you whatever you do you dislike me or de-friend me or you cross me out or cancel me

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I could care less if one person on this podcast says holy cow I think I'm that person I think I'm

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almost a Christian but I'm not that that's what matters so you may not like my honesty but I'm telling

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you straight up you need to make sure that you are a follower of Jesus so please check and see

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is it possible for you to be a believer is it possible for you to have faith

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or is it impossible for you because the one who paid the sin debt for your life to you was not

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enough he wasn't effective enough he wasn't worthy enough he wasn't powerful enough he wasn't enough

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for me to let him have total control of my life and so I'm looking around for something else to

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add to my life for you Jesus wasn't enough and may God's grace may God's mercy be upon you may

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may you find repentance in your heart to turn to him maybe right now this is for you for real

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it's not the prayer I'm going to lead you in that will save you a prayer cannot save you

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it's what you now are deciding to believe that you are now going to put faith in Jesus

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Jesus Christ Jesus of Nazareth Jesus Christ not the Jesus of the cults not the Jesus of any other group

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or thing replace but Jesus of Nazareth Jesus the Christ Jesus the Son of David Jesus the Son of God

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Jesus the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end the first and the last the one who was who is

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who is to come the Almighty Jesus father we come before you right now in this very very serious moment

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and we confess in full belief not in a fable not in a fairy tale not in a story

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but we now choose to believe the facts that Jesus Christ died in my place

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ordained and engineered by God himself the 2000 years ago the Lamb of God had an appointment with the

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law of God with the righteousness of God with the holiness of God that the Lamb of God had an

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appointment with the wrath of God 2000 years ago with the judgment of God 2000 years ago

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and that Lamb was so perfect that as the wrath and indignation of God was poured out upon him

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which was owed to me he took upon himself justice was applied

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justice was satisfied righteousness was established salvation was purchased

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redemption was made complete and eternal life made available

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that if I would right now say Lord God Almighty I come now in the name of Jesus Christ Lord and Savior

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I divorce myself from myself I divorce myself from my works from my deeds from my morality from

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wrote whatever is in the way and I repent of my sins my pride my arrogance my self righteousness

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my my my disgusting future fine pleasure of myself I didn't I now despise

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what I am and who I am and I'm begging you Almighty God apply the blood of Jesus Christ to my life

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I don't want to taste anything I don't want to sip anything I don't want to be near anything I want

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to be all in take my life completely over dear God and save me and put your spirit in my life

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own me that I will never look back but now live for you forever with you now as a true follower

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of Christ in Jesus name I pray amen I pray that that's your prayer if you've prayed that prayer we'd

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