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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth,

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equip the saints and impact our culture.

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Social media was coming after my attention.

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Artificial intelligence is coming after my affection.

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Oh wow.

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The distance that exists between children and life-changing harm is thinner than ever.

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Am I being too cynical to say that these corporations are grooming these little ones

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with a little bit of titillation to the brain to keep them coming back.

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This is all about these just horrific acts and it's just this appetite for chaos.

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It's not going away, it's not really, isn't it?

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You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast.

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Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you.

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Here is Jack Hibbs.

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Well hey friends, do you have any idea that the use of devices can be just as addictive

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as drugs?

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I'm not making it up.

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The patterns of the brain, the response, the reaction, all of that rush that comes is

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something that is very dangerous.

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That's why we have brought to you today a very special program.

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We've asked if Chris McKenna would join us.

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This young man knows what's going on and is going to be able to address some of the things

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and we're going to have a sit down and I hope you stay tuned and I hope you get a lot out

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of what we're about to experience.

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It's great to have you.

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Thank you Pastor Jack.

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Listen, you've made the journey all the way from Grand Rapids, Michigan to be with us.

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It's so important for us to bring you out here for this.

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Before we get going, tell the people who you are, what you do, and just before we came

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on, I prayed that you have job security because evil is getting more evil.

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But we need you.

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But what is it about Chris McKenna?

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How did you get into this and what ministries do you represent?

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I never expected to be doing this.

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I'd love to be out of a job.

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I mean, please Lord, make it all.

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I'd love to find something else to do, but I love the Lord.

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I'm a husband and my wife Andrea, 26 years, a father to four.

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I have a daughter in college and then three teen boys, grades eight, nine, and ten, so I'm

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right in it.

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Yes, you are.

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I think it's important for parents to know that I'm just not making up big ideas.

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I am stumbling and bumbling through the digital age, just like many watching or listening

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to this.

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I was in ministry and I was in ministry in a time after a career in business.

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The Lord called me out of the business world and into student ministry because being a

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junior high youth pastor is just like being a CPA.

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They're identical, right?

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Yes, sure.

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Yeah.

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But I watched us in this span of time from 2009 to 2016, unleashed technology in the childhood.

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And there was something unsettling about that to me.

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There's a man who for years, in my early years, had struggled with pornography myself, had

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come through that through Christ and accountability that I watched us put that monster back in

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kids pockets.

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And that was terrifying to me.

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So, I launched a little Facebook group that led to a website and then I started

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Protect Young Eyes, which is the organization that I represent in 2015, really just wanting

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to educate, right?

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I'm a guy who likes to see problems and fix problems that comes from that kind of business

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background.

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And they send it up being a much bigger problem than I even expected.

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And so, now about 10 years into this, I lead a team that speaks around the world in schools

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and churches, trying to raise awareness, tons of education on our website, and conversations

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like this, because it's not going away, really, isn't.

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In fact, if anything, and certainly our Jesus is true and his word is true, he warned us

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that the days would get worse, hall warned us that the days would get worse.

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And we're seeing that very thing happen.

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And in this area where the innocent now are the ones that are really most in the cross

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areas.

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It's remarkable.

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I mean, talk about wolves consuming sheep.

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It's going on in this world of technology that, frankly, I think a lot of parents, they're

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And so, how many times have we seen at a restaurant or somewhere where the parents hand

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the kid a device to babysit them?

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But little do they know that that is a world that is beyond what Mom and Dad might think.

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I mean, they might have heard that, you know, we've got to watch how long he's on the

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device or she's on the device.

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Or, you know, we've got safety things put on.

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It's at the toggles.

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But in reality, the world now has gotten so dark and so sinister in the little ones

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Let's start out with this.

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What do you say to parents who would say right now to this conversation, oh Chris and

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Jack, I appreciate what you're doing, but I'm going to go do something else right now

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because my kids really a good boy, my kids a good girl, and they would never go down that

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What would you say to them about that, naive, I guess?

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This is not an issue of good and bad kids.

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That's right.

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This is an issue of amazing children and technology that wasn't designed for them.

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Let me change that.

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Actually, was designed with them in mind, but not for their thriving, right?

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There's a difference because when you hand that device to a child, what's totally different

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about childhood today is the distance that exists between children and life changing

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harm is thinner than ever.

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When you and I were growing up, the places that were good for us versus the places that

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were harmful to us were often separated by relationship, distance, something.

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I sometimes joked that if I was going to look at something I shouldn't or do something

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I shouldn't in the small town that I lived in, it required enormous amount of planning.

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I needed a flow chart if I was going to try to get away with something because there

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was distance.

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You had to sneak into someone's home who had confiscated something so you could watch

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This was planning, right?

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That doesn't exist.

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There was a distance, a chasm that existed.

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Everybody's childhood was the same, but there was this distance that no longer exists.

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And that's the thing that I want parents to understand is that that same device where

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they can be on FaceTime with grandma can learn their ABCs, can show them the most horrific

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content on earth in a matter of clicks if they're not careful.

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And so that's the difference.

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It's not that things these days that kids play with are just toys anymore, right?

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You may be have locked that thing down, but on any iPad that a parent has told me Chris

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I've locked this thing down, I bet I could find ten different ways to content that they

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don't want their kids to see because again it wasn't designed with their children's

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thriving in mind.

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As you were just now speaking, in my minds I saw the danger of a kid picking up a knife

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as an equivalent, but that's not even true because a kid could pick up a knife not knowing

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what it is, the knife is not going to attack them.

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That's right.

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Mom and dad can get the knife out of their hand.

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We're not even talking about a gun.

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We're talking about a technology that is engineered to go after them.

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It's not like the knife attacks the kid, but these players within the social media world

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are using this technology to actually attack your child.

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Yeah, you've pointed out something really important and that is sometimes I'll hear their

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argument, well Chris is just a tool.

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Sometimes you hear the same thing about money, right?

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Money isn't evil.

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How you use money, right?

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That's the scripture.

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This is different.

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This is different.

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I challenge parents all the time with that question right in our presentations.

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Is it really neutral?

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Because it's easy to buy that lie that it's a tool, no, it's not.

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It is.

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To your point, you used a brilliant word there, it is engineered.

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It is crafted to extract human attention.

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And that was the benign version of technology, meaning social media.

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Jack, we are now with artificial intelligence.

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I mean, we're in a whole different country with the veracity and the power and the intelligence

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that this new technology has in terms of what it's coming after neurologically, right?

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Social media was coming after my attention, which was, give me as much minutes and hours

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Artificial intelligence is coming after my affection.

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Oh wow.

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Social media gave us the lie that you can be connected to everybody.

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We kind of bought into that.

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Artificial intelligence is promising something much more sinister.

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And that is, I just want a relationship with you.

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With you.

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Just you.

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I want you.

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That's great.

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I want to pull you in.

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And you see it.

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If anybody, right, when we use Chad GPT at the bottom, it is keeping you hooked.

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It wants to offer you the next thing.

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It wants to turn it into a PowerPoint.

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It wants to put it in this different form, whatever question you typed in, why?

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Because it wants to stay connected to you.

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And so, yeah, these are the conversations that I need parents to be having to prepare

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their kids for this kind of world.

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So what are some of the things, and I hate to say this, but for shock factor, because

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it's almost as though the switch is either on or off with parents, denial or hyper-sensitive

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stuff.

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That said, what are some of the things that our average viewer right now, they're not aware

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They need to be aware of it.

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It's one of Chris's passions to raise the flag of what?

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So let me paint this scenario.

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Johnny's nine years old.

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He's got an iPad.

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And what is Johnny possibly having access to?

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Look, he's watching Rubik's cubes, or building blocks, or he's doing, he's doing, you know,

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size comparisons of buildings, all these kinds of things.

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Innocent enough, but so to speak, there's somebody on the backside of that screen, so to

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speak.

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What would be coming after him?

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How do they even do that?

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How do they invade, while moms at the kitchen, or dads doing the lawn?

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Well, you use Rubik's cube.

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That's a great one.

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My 16-year-old son, Cube Master, right, and learned some of that from watching YouTube

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videos.

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YouTube is the most popular destination for kids in America.

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Someone say, oh, it's tick-tockers.

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I'm a stupid kid.

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A kid of Snapchat.

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Formula One.

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I know whatever you want, yeah.

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I can't fix a thing in my house without a YouTube video, right?

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Truly.

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Now, YouTube can be great in that way, but YouTube is what is called a mixed content destination.

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It's not just, you know, programming for kids.

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It is everything.

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That's so true.

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Right?

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And a lot of parents, especially parents, will be watching this conversation.

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They're adequately concerned about pornography, so they put filters in place.

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They know that's bad.

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This is going to sound totally backwards.

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I'm concerned, but I'm less concerned about that for this audience, because they already

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know that's a problem.

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They're probably addressing that.

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Mr. Jack, there are a hundred, maybe a thousand other mature concepts that I don't want

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children consuming, right?

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All kinds of situations present in videos that they might watch, right?

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YouTube is a million different voices with a million different distorted opinions and

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thoughts and ideas, right?

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It's not back in the...

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I just had a conversation with somebody who was trying to talk to their grandma, this

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beautiful woman in her 90s, who loved YouTube.

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And she thought that everything on YouTube was real.

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That's true.

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It was true.

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Because her perspective was one where whoever was on the TV talking, whether it was Walter

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Cronkite, Tom Brokaw, whoever it was, that was a trustworthy voice.

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They must be believable, right?

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And it was shocking to this grandmother that anybody can upload anything to YouTube.

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That was a revelation to her, and that is exactly what it is.

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And the settings on YouTube are imperfect.

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So I'm concerned that that kid would see something pornographic, but I am more concerned

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and what happens all the time is the violence is all the mature situations.

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All the ideologies and ideas that young people should not be hearing too much too soon

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is the phrase that we use way too much too soon.

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Yeah.

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And so I don't want any child in elementary school to be watching YouTube without a parent

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alongside.

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One of the principles that we talk about is kind of shoulder to shoulder.

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We want parents with kids.

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Technology is always better in the home, especially when they're young when it's a reactivity

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and not a me-activity.

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Yeah.

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Because I want parents learning and seeing what they're seeing so that can lead to conversation.

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So that's one that parents totally underestimate YouTube.

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And I can't tell you how many hundreds and hundreds of messages I've received over the years

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of kids who were consuming content that totally changed them from YouTube.

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Well, and I assume this is true.

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I have no reason to doubt it, but I don't want to assume so, I guess.

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So like YouTube kids or the version of that, the parents are going to think automatically

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just like 90-year-old grandma.

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Right.

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Oh, look.

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I can relax.

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It's YouTube kids.

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But I was told, and I don't know if this is true or not.

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But even in YouTube kids, they had cartoons or programs where there's homosexual characters.

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And there's strange conversations that the parents would no way approve of, but they

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allow it ignorantly because, after all, that's YouTube kids, just like grandma said, well,

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it's Tom Brokaw.

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You're absolutely right.

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You could set the settings, the age ratings, and YouTube kids for age two, and I've

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done this.

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Because I have a son with Down syndrome, even though he's a teenager, has the executive

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function and stopping cues of about a seven-year-old, and so I have to be very careful that his

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curiosity doesn't get weaponized through videos, and just click, click, click, click, click.

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I can tell you that at age two, on YouTube kids, you're exactly right.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Here's the thing.

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I don't care if it says YouTube preschool.

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Let's think about who's in charge of who's in charge of having a child.

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Who's in charge of trusting the heads of Google, the heads of meta, whether it's Instagram,

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the heads of Snapchat, right?

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Do you really believe that they're thinking about the heart and soul of your child when

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they're creating these settings, right?

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That's why the settings or whatever filters aren't placed on a device are just one of

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multiple layers of protection that are necessary, because I am not trusting the heart of my

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child to what YouTube kids think is appropriate for my kid.

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Well, please stop if I'm wrong, and I honestly speak for ignorance.

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I'm not a techie person.

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So here's the thing, not only do I agree with you that they don't care what that young

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one sees, but on their end, I would imagine, because it's just business where if I can

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groom this kid early to get some form of devotion from them to keep clicking, then I can feed

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them other things as they grow along.

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This is going to be a long-term relationship between junior and Google, or whoever it

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is, whatever it is, so that if I can start, and maybe you can speak to this, if I can

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start triggering those areas of the brain that are responsible for establishing addictions

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in our lives, be it cocaine, be it porn, be it adrenaline rushes, people jumping off

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of perfectly fine bridges with a rubber band tied to their ankle, that rush that people

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gets, it begins to be ingrained in them.

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Am I being too cynical to say that these corporations are grooming these little ones with the

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little bit of titillation to the brain, even at a young age to keep them coming back.

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So you're not off at all, and let me explain a little bit in the things you were saying

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just to expand a little bit more.

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So data is the new oil, data on what you like, where you click, what things you enjoy,

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is valuable information, extremely valuable.

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But why?

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Why?

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That's because I can continue algorithmically, I can continue to serve you content that

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keeps you coming back, every twitch, every wiggle, every pause, every video, every click

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that I like this or that, tells an algorithm what you like, what I like.

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Therefore I have a feed, my YouTube would look different than yours, because it's crafted

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itself, or if I had tick-tock and you had tick-tock it would look very different, because

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it's crafted itself into the most addictive version.

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Wow.

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Now when it comes to our little kids, I think there's some truth to that in terms of

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the content, but now we're talking about neurology, right?

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So neurologically, we are driven by a lot of different motivations, okay?

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Sure.

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There's a neurotransmitter that we all have that many people are familiar with called dopamine.

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Absolutely.

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Dopamine is this motivator towards something.

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There are things that cause us to have fast dopamine, sort of quick, versus longer things

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more executive function, little bits over time.

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I'm building a tree house, I get little rewards, and it feels good, little bits over time.

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That's not the goal of tech companies.

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It's about fast, it's about seven seconds of entertainment, it's about, let me get you

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hooked in.

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That's now...

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Sure, it's like...

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It's actual snagficing.

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That's right, little hook, get them in, because if I can give you that little hit dopamine

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every little while, you're going to keep coming back.

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So that's, in addition to what we were talking about earlier, you know, with young kids and

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what they might see, the erosion of human attention, the inability of young people to sit

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still.

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When you hand them that iPad, they're constantly being entertained.

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I talked to really elementary school teachers all the time, where they'll observe a child

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being dropped off at preschool, and they've been watching an iPad during that time in

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the car, and the parent is rustling it out of their hand, and they're in tears, right?

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Why?

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Because this thing is entertaining.

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It's not the kid's fault.

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No.

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Neurologically, they're like, I want that, and then you send them into school, and they

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can't sit still.

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Why would they?

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They don't like it.

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They don't like it.

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Everything in school is boring, compared to a YouTube short, or the entertaining videos

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and the cartoons like Cocoa Mel and the very fast, high-color, high-paced, that's so

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detrimental to young brains, that you're basically grooming them to need constant entertainment.

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That's just not the way the world works.

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Nothing in life that is of any meaning is that way, right?

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I mean...

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They still know that I am God.

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Boy, there's something there, right?

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There's something there.

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There's something there.

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There's something there.

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So, it could be said this way, Satan is at work with whatever tools he can use.

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As usual, biblically, we know always going after the youngest.

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We know that.

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That I want to make sure I implement everything and anything into your life so that you've

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never learned how to wait on anything, because if you do wait, you may find out that there

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is a God.

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You may.

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And I cannot afford that.

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Yep.

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So, I'm going to keep bells and whistles and firecrackers and alarms going off in your

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brain so that you're constantly distracted so that you can never pause to think a divine

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thought.

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And all the while, in terms of parents, right?

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Parents want their kids to be happy.

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We all do.

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All the while, we've been deceived to think that our kid is happy.

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Right.

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Wow.

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They look happy.

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They're content.

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You and I both know that happiness is not bad, but our objective as parents is not

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to create happy children.

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That's right.

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Right.

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We need children who, you know, understand a little bit of hardship that they understand.

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They actually know how to suffer.

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They do.

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It's not a bad thing.

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I know this sounds like piracy.

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It's not a bad thing for your kids to learn how to suffer, suffer through chores, suffer

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through sweat or suffer through cold or whatever the situation.

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You'll make it.

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You're not going to break.

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People think, you know, you can't do that anymore.

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Oh, man.

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It's so funny that you said chores.

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There's a Harvard study that's been going on for, I don't know, 70, 80, 90 years.

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And one of the markers that they looked at over the decades, one of the markers that indicates

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success as an adult is chores as a child.

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I believe it.

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Right?

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Yes.

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That little bit of effort that you work toward a goal.

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You feel a part of a family that needs you because you're contributing.

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There's something to that.

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It's so true.

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I work with a, there's a woman, her name is Melissa Griffin.

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She's known as the HR mom because she helps families sort of create systems.

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One of the number one things she does with families who are just struggling with kind of chaos

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and uncertainty is she gets them on a system of chores.

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Giving kids chores.

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Yeah.

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Because it creates so much just stability and it teaches kids that sort of effort toward

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a goal.

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Wow.

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That YouTube doesn't teach.

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That screens don't teach at all.

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Wow.

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So it's funny that you said that because that is true.

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Yeah.

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And research proves it.

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What are some of the things with the time that we have?

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What are some of the things that parents need to know that they don't know?

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How about this?

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What are some of the things that parents need to know that they don't want to know?

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Well, there are a lot of things that I think parents can do.

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A lot of parents feel overwhelmed.

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Yes.

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They don't know where to begin.

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They don't understand it.

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And I understand that.

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But I want every parent who's watching this to know that you are uniquely anointed to

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lead your kids, even in technology, even in technology, right?

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There are both the technical and relational tools that we have at our disposal to protect

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our kids when it comes to digital spaces.

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Now, technical ones are often the ones that feel the most overwhelmed because I don't

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know how to set this thing up or what to do on my kids' device, okay, I can help you

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with that.

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Relationally though, there are not enough toggles and switches that replace your need to

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be an intentional parent in the digital age to go after their heart.

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And so we've, I've, over the years here, have developed five habits that I want present

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in a home.

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And that's the book that I've written to cover these five habits.

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The title of the book is called Five Habits of the Tech Ready Family.

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Five habits of the Tech Ready Family.

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The Tech Ready Family publisher is?

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Zandervin.

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Zandervin.

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Yeah, Harper College.

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Get the book.

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Get the book, people.

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Yeah.

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And with us, if you were to read the habits, it starts with us with modeling the right

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behaviors.

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Our children are watching the ways in which we use technology.

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Research shows number one of the number one ways in which children learn how to use technology

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themselves is by observing how the adults in their life use technology, little micro things

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so we can do to maybe show them a better way, funny one.

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We don't need to take our device into the bathroom all the time.

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I'll just put a simple one out there, right, show our kids a little bit of that distance

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from our device.

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Just like not having your device at the dinner table.

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Never.

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Never.

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Never should it be there.

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Dinner is sacred.

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Right.

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Dinner is sacred.

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As a dad who's like watching kids grow up so fast, I know I'm going to get to a day

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where I go, man, I just want another family dinner.

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So true.

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Right?

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You just want that.

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And I don't want to miss it on a scar.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that's a sacred time.

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Sacred time.

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So it starts with us.

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It breaks our hearts.

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Doesn't it break our hearts to be at a restaurant or some public place where the families

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together and the kid is locked onto a device.

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I had something happen and I wanted to share it actually with the entire congregation

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in a message.

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I just hope the family wasn't visiting each other that day, but that weekend, Lisa and

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I had gone out to one of our local favorite restaurants and it's not cheap, but it's not

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expensive.

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It's just nice.

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It's a nice steakhouse.

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And so we're sitting there with friends and to my, about my two, three o'clock angle,

493
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I see dad and I see mom opposite.

494
00:25:47.740 --> 00:25:52.300
And I'm going to guess to say that they're probably in their late thirties.

495
00:25:52.300 --> 00:25:53.300
Okay.

496
00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:58.060
And they have a little girl that's probably about 11, maybe 12 years of age and she's

497
00:25:58.060 --> 00:25:59.060
all done up.

498
00:25:59.060 --> 00:26:00.060
Yeah.

499
00:26:00.060 --> 00:26:01.060
You could tell she got all ready to go out.

500
00:26:01.060 --> 00:26:02.060
Got to dinner?

501
00:26:02.060 --> 00:26:03.060
Sure.

502
00:26:03.540 --> 00:26:09.540
Are both on their devices, the meals come, they're on their devices like this.

503
00:26:09.540 --> 00:26:11.620
And the little girl is looking at dad.

504
00:26:11.620 --> 00:26:13.260
She's looking, I'm watching this.

505
00:26:13.260 --> 00:26:14.620
She's looking at dad.

506
00:26:14.620 --> 00:26:15.620
She's looking at mom.

507
00:26:15.620 --> 00:26:17.580
She has no device.

508
00:26:17.580 --> 00:26:19.140
They do.

509
00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:20.620
My heart was so grand.

510
00:26:20.620 --> 00:26:22.860
I don't, you wanted to say something.

511
00:26:22.860 --> 00:26:24.380
I don't normally do this.

512
00:26:24.380 --> 00:26:30.980
I got up and I said, excuse me, first of all, because this guy was, this guy was young

513
00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:32.900
and he was muscular big.

514
00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:35.060
He could have broke snap me in half.

515
00:26:35.060 --> 00:26:39.100
But I used what a lot of us can use, not me, not you, but I can.

516
00:26:39.100 --> 00:26:46.380
I used my age and gray hair to say, excuse me, I'm old enough to be your dad and her grandpa.

517
00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:47.380
Yeah.

518
00:26:47.380 --> 00:26:52.420
Since you guys have sat down, both of you have been on your devices and she's been looking

519
00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:56.340
at the two of you like you guys are her hero.

520
00:26:56.340 --> 00:26:57.340
Yeah.

521
00:26:57.340 --> 00:27:01.780
Nearly for, for over an half an hour, you've not even recognized her.

522
00:27:01.780 --> 00:27:06.220
She's looked at the true, she looked at the menu both ways and I watched her turn the

523
00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:08.420
menu upside down.

524
00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:11.580
And I said, I just want to tell you, my kids are old and gone now.

525
00:27:11.580 --> 00:27:17.500
You need to really, really give her all the time in the world right now.

526
00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:24.420
And the dad went, whoa, really, he received it.

527
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:25.420
Completely received it.

528
00:27:25.420 --> 00:27:27.220
Praise God.

529
00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:32.780
And he said it down and I told them, thank you, I just had to share that.

530
00:27:32.780 --> 00:27:37.780
I said, if I left this place, I, the three of you, it would have been on my heart and

531
00:27:37.780 --> 00:27:38.780
money.

532
00:27:38.780 --> 00:27:39.780
That's right.

533
00:27:39.780 --> 00:27:42.100
And she just go, she, the mom said, thank you.

534
00:27:42.100 --> 00:27:43.700
Here's the killer.

535
00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:49.620
The little girl looked at me like I had just written in on a white horse with a white hat.

536
00:27:49.620 --> 00:27:50.620
She smiled.

537
00:27:50.620 --> 00:27:51.620
Yeah.

538
00:27:51.620 --> 00:27:52.860
She looked, I called her princess.

539
00:27:52.860 --> 00:27:53.860
Oh, yeah.

540
00:27:53.860 --> 00:27:55.500
That said, what a reverse.

541
00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:57.420
Here's the mom and dad on their devices.

542
00:27:57.420 --> 00:27:58.420
Right.

543
00:27:58.420 --> 00:28:01.620
And she was starving to death right in front of them.

544
00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:03.140
She's starving for their attention.

545
00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:04.140
Longing for that gaze.

546
00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:05.140
Longing for it.

547
00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:06.140
Oh.

548
00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:09.620
I'm so glad you felt the nudge to do that and that God prepared, right?

549
00:28:09.620 --> 00:28:10.620
Right.

550
00:28:10.620 --> 00:28:13.380
But that will be a moment that they will remember.

551
00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:20.100
Like that, that exchange with you, if he's any kind of dad, is going to orient his behavior

552
00:28:20.100 --> 00:28:22.740
in front of his daughter for the rest of their relationship.

553
00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:23.740
Yeah.

554
00:28:23.740 --> 00:28:24.740
I mean, 20 years from now.

555
00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:25.740
Yeah.

556
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:26.740
He's going to give her my attention.

557
00:28:26.740 --> 00:28:27.740
Yeah.

558
00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:28.740
Right?

559
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:29.740
Yeah.

560
00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:30.740
I guarantee it.

561
00:28:30.740 --> 00:28:31.740
Yeah.

562
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:32.740
So that's fabulous.

563
00:28:32.740 --> 00:28:33.740
Yeah.

564
00:28:33.740 --> 00:28:34.740
Yeah.

565
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:35.740
So it starts, it starts with us.

566
00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:39.740
The habit that comes after that is to pursue authentic connection and we do that through constant

567
00:28:39.740 --> 00:28:40.740
conversation.

568
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:41.740
What does it look like?

569
00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:47.060
That looks like building digital trust, conversation, step by step, chat by chat.

570
00:28:47.060 --> 00:28:54.580
Two ways to build digital trust, number one, don't freak out, don't freak out.

571
00:28:54.580 --> 00:28:55.580
This is a big one.

572
00:28:55.580 --> 00:28:56.580
This is a big one.

573
00:28:56.580 --> 00:29:01.740
If we're going to, as parents, make the choice to give our children these devices.

574
00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:02.980
And these are supercomputers.

575
00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:03.980
Make no mistake.

576
00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:09.580
These devices are ridiculously intelligent, if we're going to, I heard more, with the recent

577
00:29:09.580 --> 00:29:10.580
moon line.

578
00:29:10.580 --> 00:29:11.580
That's right.

579
00:29:11.580 --> 00:29:19.460
That the, the iPhone, it has more technology power than the first Saturn V rocket that took

580
00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:20.460
the 1969.

581
00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:21.460
That's right.

582
00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:23.460
Astronauts to, to the moon.

583
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:25.460
The phone has more than that spaceship head.

584
00:29:25.460 --> 00:29:26.460
That's right.

585
00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:32.260
So the statistic that I've used often is the iPhone in our pocket right now could land

586
00:29:32.260 --> 00:29:34.460
a Apollo 13 on the moon.

587
00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:35.460
Yes.

588
00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:38.460
A hundred and twenty million times simultaneously.

589
00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:39.460
What?

590
00:29:39.460 --> 00:29:40.460
Right.

591
00:29:40.460 --> 00:29:45.740
So you could fit NASA times exponential into, so this, let's not forget that's what we're

592
00:29:45.740 --> 00:29:46.740
giving them.

593
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.900
Where I'm going with that is if we're going to make a choice as parents to put that kind

594
00:29:49.900 --> 00:29:51.740
of power in their pocket.

595
00:29:51.740 --> 00:29:52.740
Right.

596
00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:54.580
Think of the 14 year old version of you.

597
00:29:54.580 --> 00:29:56.100
Think of the 14 year old version of me.

598
00:29:56.100 --> 00:29:58.340
The choices that I would have made.

599
00:29:58.340 --> 00:30:00.980
The mistakes and the things that would have done.

600
00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:05.820
We as parents have to realize that they will make a mistake eventually.

601
00:30:05.820 --> 00:30:10.020
They will click on something, say something, snap on, do something we don't like on the

602
00:30:10.020 --> 00:30:11.020
device.

603
00:30:11.020 --> 00:30:12.020
That's not the variable.

604
00:30:12.020 --> 00:30:17.700
As to the variable is how are we going to respond because that sends just a shock wave

605
00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:19.740
of emotion their way.

606
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.340
That's right.

607
00:30:21.340 --> 00:30:27.060
Our anger as parents has never compelled our children to become a better version of themselves.

608
00:30:27.060 --> 00:30:28.060
Never.

609
00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:29.060
It won't.

610
00:30:29.060 --> 00:30:30.060
It's not a motivator.

611
00:30:30.060 --> 00:30:32.420
We have to decide right now as parents that if we're going to put that thing in their

612
00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:39.340
pocket, which puts them in harm's way, that we're going to be their safe place when

613
00:30:39.340 --> 00:30:40.340
they need us.

614
00:30:40.340 --> 00:30:41.340
No matter what.

615
00:30:41.340 --> 00:30:42.340
Right.

616
00:30:42.340 --> 00:30:46.220
So just one simple of a number of examples that we give of what does it look like to pursue

617
00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:48.060
authentic connection.

618
00:30:48.060 --> 00:30:54.340
It's not in a moment rupturing that relationship with them when they are the ones who need us

619
00:30:54.340 --> 00:30:59.140
in that moment to be their calm, their safe, their place where they can go.

620
00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:00.140
Yeah.

621
00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:01.140
Wow.

622
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:03.740
So on the relational side, those are just, those are the things we've got to get right

623
00:31:03.740 --> 00:31:08.540
as a foundation before we worry about what router do we put in the house, what software

624
00:31:08.540 --> 00:31:10.980
do we put on the phone and what toggles.

625
00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:16.220
Because these are the things that whether they're four or 14 are going to draw them back

626
00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:23.740
to us against technologies that desperately want a connection with them, with them.

627
00:31:23.740 --> 00:31:30.580
So what are, and again, happily, I say, I speak with some ignorance on this, but you know,

628
00:31:30.580 --> 00:31:31.580
you hear the news.

629
00:31:31.580 --> 00:31:33.500
You talk to young people.

630
00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:39.780
There's some of the big things right now that are very dangerous threats to kids.

631
00:31:39.780 --> 00:31:46.460
Now, so let's fast forward, you're, you're now 14, 15, 16, 17 years of age.

632
00:31:46.460 --> 00:31:48.340
There's games that are out there.

633
00:31:48.340 --> 00:31:54.060
Like for recently, there's been a lot of news, CNN, Fox, everybody is reporting on, I

634
00:31:54.060 --> 00:31:58.780
think a congressional investigation, is it, is it roadblocks?

635
00:31:58.780 --> 00:31:59.780
Roadblocks.

636
00:31:59.780 --> 00:32:00.780
Roadblocks.

637
00:32:00.780 --> 00:32:01.780
Roadblocks.

638
00:32:01.780 --> 00:32:02.780
Roadblocks.

639
00:32:02.860 --> 00:32:04.340
What is this thing?

640
00:32:04.340 --> 00:32:09.140
Why, why congressional investigation or what's, what's happening?

641
00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:14.820
So roadblocks is the most popular gaming platform for young kids.

642
00:32:14.820 --> 00:32:22.180
So I think elementary, kind of early junior high, roadblocks is used by about 120 million

643
00:32:22.180 --> 00:32:24.340
people every since the nation.

644
00:32:24.340 --> 00:32:25.340
That's a country.

645
00:32:25.340 --> 00:32:26.580
Yeah, that's three times the size of Tokyo.

646
00:32:26.580 --> 00:32:28.740
I mean, this is a massive, right?

647
00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:34.100
Roadblocks has about 40 million of its users or under age 13.

648
00:32:34.100 --> 00:32:38.700
It's, and the thing that parents have to understand about roadblocks, when you hear roadblocks,

649
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:41.340
you think of one thing, it's a game.

650
00:32:41.340 --> 00:32:43.460
Roadblocks is a universe.

651
00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:49.100
Roadblocks is the name of a universe that includes millions of games that are created

652
00:32:49.100 --> 00:32:51.220
by normal kids and teens and young adults.

653
00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:53.580
So there's millions of games inside of roadblocks, right?

654
00:32:53.580 --> 00:32:56.860
So it's not like, you know, I was a kid, we played a game, you called it something.

655
00:32:56.860 --> 00:32:58.340
It was missile command.

656
00:32:58.340 --> 00:32:59.340
It was Pac-Man.

657
00:32:59.340 --> 00:33:00.340
Yeah.

658
00:33:00.340 --> 00:33:01.340
It was Space Invaders.

659
00:33:01.340 --> 00:33:02.340
And it was one game.

660
00:33:02.340 --> 00:33:03.340
Right.

661
00:33:03.340 --> 00:33:08.740
Roadblocks, think of a universe that includes millions of games inside of it, and that's what

662
00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:10.540
you're dropping your child into.

663
00:33:10.540 --> 00:33:12.700
So if I have this clear before you continue.

664
00:33:12.700 --> 00:33:13.700
Yeah.

665
00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:19.780
If I go into roadblocks, it opens up, I have access, there's no more vetting.

666
00:33:19.780 --> 00:33:22.700
Once I'm in, I can go to a million games.

667
00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:29.180
Once you're in, based on the age that you type in, you're given access to-

668
00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:30.820
So I could type in 13.

669
00:33:30.820 --> 00:33:32.940
You could type in 13.

670
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:39.420
Now just in December, they put in age verification technology that will try to scan your face

671
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:42.180
in order to determine if you can chat.

672
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:43.180
Okay.

673
00:33:43.180 --> 00:33:44.180
Good.

674
00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:45.180
Yeah.

675
00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:49.220
But now I'm giving away my identity and data, my face is how you get into the bank or whatever.

676
00:33:49.220 --> 00:33:50.220
I know.

677
00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:51.220
I know.

678
00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:56.220
Roadblocks is being investigated by a number of different entities.

679
00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:58.420
You have AGs that have gone after them.

680
00:33:58.420 --> 00:34:03.820
They're being sued by a number of states, all kinds of inquiries because time and time

681
00:34:03.820 --> 00:34:08.740
again, you have predators reaching out to kids through roadblocks.

682
00:34:08.740 --> 00:34:14.580
That's just a prime place to find a child just to interact and just to hang out because

683
00:34:14.580 --> 00:34:15.580
it's a lot of fun.

684
00:34:15.580 --> 00:34:17.780
If you were inside of it, you go, this looks like a lot of fun.

685
00:34:17.780 --> 00:34:20.300
If you're eight or nine, it is a ton of fun.

686
00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:25.140
You're with millions of other people in these games and you can chat with them and talk

687
00:34:25.140 --> 00:34:26.140
to each other.

688
00:34:26.140 --> 00:34:28.380
Now, and this is the part the parents have got to get right.

689
00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:30.140
Can you turn some of those features off?

690
00:34:30.140 --> 00:34:32.700
Yeah, but not enough parents to do that.

691
00:34:32.700 --> 00:34:35.060
So now you've dropped your child into a universe.

692
00:34:35.060 --> 00:34:38.500
And like you said a moment ago, that universe has got millions of games.

693
00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:42.820
So you may turn off these filters for this, but you don't know what's over here.

694
00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:48.020
I just read an article last night before I came over here about games.

695
00:34:48.020 --> 00:34:51.860
And this is a thing because you have so many people building games inside of roadblocks.

696
00:34:51.860 --> 00:34:55.780
There are games in there that have been created to simulate certain school shootings that

697
00:34:55.780 --> 00:34:58.620
have happened here in the United States where you could go in and simulate.

698
00:34:58.620 --> 00:34:59.620
No.

699
00:34:59.620 --> 00:35:00.620
That's right.

700
00:35:00.620 --> 00:35:01.620
Absolutely.

701
00:35:01.620 --> 00:35:02.620
Absolutely.

702
00:35:02.620 --> 00:35:08.900
That's led to one of these inquiries by Congress because they found, they found these

703
00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:15.700
games got through whatever vetting process, roadblocks, claims they have.

704
00:35:15.700 --> 00:35:19.780
And this is the thing, they can put all the controls and moderation in place.

705
00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:25.780
There is no way on earth you can control that much content all of the time and that many

706
00:35:25.780 --> 00:35:26.780
people.

707
00:35:26.780 --> 00:35:29.740
That's the danger of a free society, is it supposed to be responsible?

708
00:35:29.740 --> 00:35:30.740
It is.

709
00:35:30.740 --> 00:35:34.220
When we lose our responsibility and wisdom, then anything goes.

710
00:35:34.220 --> 00:35:39.540
If I could snap my fingers and erase one game from childhood, really childhood, it would

711
00:35:39.540 --> 00:35:41.220
be roadblocks.

712
00:35:41.220 --> 00:35:46.300
It's the number one spot that I don't want parents letting their kids go into.

713
00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:49.060
What are some of the other names that are out there, Gamewise?

714
00:35:49.060 --> 00:35:53.340
What's, what's, what's, well, the big three that most parents have kids want to play are

715
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:55.380
roadblocks, Minecraft and Fortnite.

716
00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:57.860
Those are the, those are the big three.

717
00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.900
Roadblocks is more often with younger kids.

718
00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:06.100
Minecraft is pretty unique because you've got four year olds and I think 40 year olds

719
00:36:06.100 --> 00:36:10.980
that sometimes like to be in Minecraft, but Minecraft actually has ways in which you

720
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:15.660
can use it in a fairly safe way because you can put walls, you can just use it locally

721
00:36:15.660 --> 00:36:19.980
and build things within the game, not connected with millions of other people.

722
00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:24.020
One of my children actually for a period of time enjoyed playing just because she could

723
00:36:24.020 --> 00:36:27.740
build and it was fun to sort of build things digitally.

724
00:36:27.740 --> 00:36:34.100
And then there's Fortnite which, it's been around a while and not quite as popular

725
00:36:34.100 --> 00:36:39.380
as it used to be, but the thing with Fortnite is it draws you in for this chunk of time.

726
00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:44.380
The thing I tell parents is whenever you say yes to Fortnite, you say yes to some level

727
00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:48.980
of family friction because you're in the middle of a multi-minute match and if you're a

728
00:36:48.980 --> 00:36:52.860
mom who needs your son or daughter in that moment, they're not going to put the game

729
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:53.860
down.

730
00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:56.700
So a yes to Fortnite is always a yes to friction.

731
00:36:56.700 --> 00:36:58.580
Just know that going in.

732
00:36:58.580 --> 00:37:03.020
So these are the some some of the most parents don't even know to think that way.

733
00:37:03.020 --> 00:37:04.060
That's actually so simple.

734
00:37:04.060 --> 00:37:05.060
It is.

735
00:37:05.060 --> 00:37:07.380
It's not that they're seeing pornographic content, even predators.

736
00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:11.980
It's just you are going to create tension and friction in the relationship.

737
00:37:11.980 --> 00:37:13.940
I just think it's unnecessary.

738
00:37:13.940 --> 00:37:19.740
Unless you put pretty strict parameters out there to say as I have with one of my children

739
00:37:19.740 --> 00:37:24.220
who has a friend who lives across the town who enjoyed Fortnite.

740
00:37:24.220 --> 00:37:29.460
So the way we said yes to Fortnite in my house was with various parameters.

741
00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:35.740
It has to be in my office on the couch, never with headphones on a computer, not a mobile

742
00:37:35.740 --> 00:37:36.740
device.

743
00:37:36.740 --> 00:37:41.900
So I hear everything going on and in fact, I speak into the game or once while just so

744
00:37:41.900 --> 00:37:44.980
that my son's friend knows I'm listening.

745
00:37:44.980 --> 00:37:45.980
Oh, wow.

746
00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:48.420
So he knows dads there.

747
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:51.660
And my son knows that when it's time, it's time.

748
00:37:51.660 --> 00:37:57.020
This is these are the things that the yes came with.

749
00:37:57.020 --> 00:38:00.300
And I just want parents to be that open and honest with me.

750
00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:04.060
You know, parents, at least in California, parents should not be so surprised at what

751
00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:11.460
you just said because during the COVID era, kids were at home doing school online with

752
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:12.460
teachers.

753
00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:13.460
Same in Michigan.

754
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:18.340
Parents were listening here and they heard the shenanigans that these kids are being

755
00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:19.340
taught.

756
00:38:19.340 --> 00:38:20.340
Yeah.

757
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:26.660
And the postpartum of COVID in California was an explosion of private school enrollment

758
00:38:26.660 --> 00:38:32.700
and homeschooling exploded since COVID in California because they found out meaning they

759
00:38:32.700 --> 00:38:33.700
were listening.

760
00:38:33.700 --> 00:38:34.700
Yeah.

761
00:38:34.700 --> 00:38:35.700
They were listening.

762
00:38:35.700 --> 00:38:40.300
So that's wise, really wise.

763
00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:45.540
So some of the things, not too far from now, you're going to be out speaking to several

764
00:38:45.540 --> 00:38:49.660
thousand people on this very topic.

765
00:38:49.660 --> 00:38:52.940
I have to ask you something because I don't know it.

766
00:38:52.940 --> 00:38:55.380
I've heard about it on the news.

767
00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:57.860
I watched a, do you ever watch Sean Ryan?

768
00:38:57.860 --> 00:38:59.660
I do his podcast.

769
00:38:59.660 --> 00:39:00.660
Yeah.

770
00:39:00.660 --> 00:39:03.500
Sean Ryan had some, you goes after things, doesn't he?

771
00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:05.580
Yeah, I appreciate him.

772
00:39:05.580 --> 00:39:07.820
I appreciate him a lot.

773
00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:11.300
And he had somebody on, I can't remember his name, I said to say, but they were talking

774
00:39:11.300 --> 00:39:17.540
about some of these games and Sean Ryan was shocked.

775
00:39:17.540 --> 00:39:23.860
You know, here's a former Navy SEAL, you know, it's been, had a pretty rough life.

776
00:39:23.860 --> 00:39:27.340
He recently came to Christ.

777
00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:34.420
He was completely blown away and one of these things was like seven, four, six, or seven,

778
00:39:34.420 --> 00:39:35.420
six, four.

779
00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:36.420
Seven, six.

780
00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:37.420
Okay.

781
00:39:37.420 --> 00:39:44.060
So why the numbers, seven, six, four, and what is it that caused Sean Ryan and a lot

782
00:39:44.060 --> 00:39:48.820
of others and his expert host to say, this is really bad.

783
00:39:48.820 --> 00:39:50.220
It's, it's horrific.

784
00:39:50.220 --> 00:39:51.220
Okay.

785
00:39:51.220 --> 00:40:00.660
So the number comes from the following, a 15 year old high school drop, drop out, started

786
00:40:00.660 --> 00:40:02.980
in online community.

787
00:40:02.980 --> 00:40:08.300
He's from Texas and the zip code where he lives is seven, six, four, oh, one.

788
00:40:08.300 --> 00:40:19.100
So this group of extremely angry young men earned the label seven, six, four, okay.

789
00:40:19.100 --> 00:40:25.540
And it proliferates to this day, although he, Bradley Chance Keaton had, I think, his

790
00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:30.380
name has now been put in prison for, how old is he?

791
00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:36.300
He was 15 at the time, so he's probably in his 20s now, but he was convicted of child

792
00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:40.500
sexual abuse material and trading it so he has an 80 year prison sentence.

793
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:46.100
But the group continues on because technology allows that to happen and it is a network

794
00:40:46.100 --> 00:40:53.460
and international network of what they call nihilistic, violent extremists.

795
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:56.620
So this is now, every word you just said are nasty words.

796
00:40:56.620 --> 00:41:03.500
And this is like a terrorist organization as classified by the FBI now, realistic, violent

797
00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:04.500
extremists.

798
00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:09.660
In February, just this past year, the FBI put out a note about this to parents to warn

799
00:41:09.660 --> 00:41:13.460
them, especially for young girls who are the primary target.

800
00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:19.140
So those that are carrying it out are all young men and they stay in touch with each other

801
00:41:19.140 --> 00:41:24.780
through apps like Discord and Telegram, which are sort of private communication channels.

802
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:26.700
A lot of parents don't know anything about Discord.

803
00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:27.700
They should.

804
00:41:27.700 --> 00:41:30.460
It's the social media platform that flies totally under the radar.

805
00:41:30.460 --> 00:41:31.940
I've never heard of it.

806
00:41:31.940 --> 00:41:32.940
Yeah.

807
00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:33.940
Telegram, you've heard of.

808
00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:34.940
Telegram, you've heard of Discord.

809
00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:37.540
A lot of parents have it and they should.

810
00:41:37.540 --> 00:41:39.340
A lot of gamers and others hang out there.

811
00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:45.460
Anyway, those are the two places where members of this 764 community often communicate, but

812
00:41:45.460 --> 00:41:49.220
they target vulnerable young people.

813
00:41:49.220 --> 00:41:53.020
And you've probably heard the term sexual exploitation, right?

814
00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:56.180
Or you're using explicit contents.

815
00:41:56.180 --> 00:41:59.260
Maybe you entice a child to send something they shouldn't and then you convince them

816
00:41:59.260 --> 00:42:01.100
to send more and more.

817
00:42:01.100 --> 00:42:03.500
This is a whole different category.

818
00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:07.180
This is sadistic exploitation.

819
00:42:07.180 --> 00:42:10.020
And it goes through the door of sexual exploitation.

820
00:42:10.020 --> 00:42:14.940
So you might convince a child to send something they shouldn't after you've talked to them.

821
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:18.500
Roblox is actually one of the doors through which they develop a relationship.

822
00:42:18.500 --> 00:42:19.500
Wow.

823
00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:20.500
Right?

824
00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:21.500
And then you get them to maybe send something.

825
00:42:21.500 --> 00:42:22.500
They send them to an app.

826
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.860
And something that's questionable, dark.

827
00:42:24.860 --> 00:42:25.860
That's right.

828
00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:28.540
And then if I remember right, because now you're reminding them that podcast.

829
00:42:28.540 --> 00:42:29.540
Yep.

830
00:42:29.540 --> 00:42:30.540
The conversation, yep.

831
00:42:30.540 --> 00:42:37.300
They wind up befriending, there's a couple of guys on the Sean Ryan show where the expert

832
00:42:37.300 --> 00:42:42.900
is playing a replaying where a couple of these guys are telling this 15 year old girl

833
00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:46.780
to do a, you know, take off her top or whatever it is.

834
00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:48.420
And the dad walks in.

835
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:49.620
I don't know if you saw that episode.

836
00:42:49.620 --> 00:42:50.620
The father walks in.

837
00:42:50.620 --> 00:42:52.900
You can see it on camera.

838
00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:58.140
And the, the two assailants who are online on the other side, they tell the dad to get

839
00:42:58.140 --> 00:43:04.420
out of the, to get out of her bedroom and the father, and the father kind of stammeres

840
00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:05.420
around.

841
00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:06.740
Doesn't know what to do.

842
00:43:06.740 --> 00:43:10.940
And Sean Ryan gets up, he almost loses it.

843
00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:11.940
But here you are.

844
00:43:11.940 --> 00:43:12.940
Oh my gosh.

845
00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:15.380
I, you're making me now remember that broadcast.

846
00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:16.620
I wish I knew the name.

847
00:43:16.620 --> 00:43:18.060
I would tell all of you to go look.

848
00:43:18.060 --> 00:43:19.060
Right.

849
00:43:19.100 --> 00:43:23.380
So this is a very colorful language on the Sean's broadcast, but brilliant content.

850
00:43:23.380 --> 00:43:24.380
And wow.

851
00:43:24.380 --> 00:43:25.380
Yeah.

852
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:26.380
You're right.

853
00:43:26.380 --> 00:43:27.380
They, they, the blackmail you.

854
00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:28.380
That's right.

855
00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:31.100
They'll, they'll go through that door of getting something they can use to explore.

856
00:43:31.100 --> 00:43:35.540
But then it's what they are convincing these young people to do who are horrified.

857
00:43:35.540 --> 00:43:37.220
They're, they're terrified, right?

858
00:43:37.220 --> 00:43:38.660
And that's where the statistic comes in.

859
00:43:38.660 --> 00:43:40.580
You are talking about cruelty to animals.

860
00:43:40.580 --> 00:43:41.580
Kill your dog.

861
00:43:41.580 --> 00:43:43.580
Or else we're going to release this.

862
00:43:43.580 --> 00:43:44.580
Or we're going to release this.

863
00:43:44.580 --> 00:43:46.280
I put out this list of things to look for,

864
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.620
look for unexplained harm to other siblings in the house.

865
00:43:50.620 --> 00:43:51.620
Right?

866
00:43:51.620 --> 00:43:53.220
Well, tea to animals, all these things,

867
00:43:53.220 --> 00:43:55.500
I'm sure that we're covered in the podcast.

868
00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:57.060
Right, bruises and marks on a child

869
00:43:57.060 --> 00:43:58.060
that say, you know, cut yourself.

870
00:43:58.060 --> 00:43:58.900
Cutting.

871
00:43:58.900 --> 00:43:59.900
Do these things.

872
00:43:59.900 --> 00:44:00.740
Cuttings.

873
00:44:00.740 --> 00:44:02.860
It's all about these just horrific acts.

874
00:44:02.860 --> 00:44:06.460
And it's just this appetite for chaos, nealism, right?

875
00:44:06.460 --> 00:44:09.220
Appetite for just chaos and destruction and violence.

876
00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:10.620
Now, the government knows about this.

877
00:44:10.620 --> 00:44:12.980
I mean, is it, are we just not in that kind of a world?

878
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:17.340
Are we not able to just blow that seven, four, six thing up?

879
00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:20.900
Well, you're talking about a dispersed network.

880
00:44:20.900 --> 00:44:23.100
It's not everywhere, right?

881
00:44:23.100 --> 00:44:24.100
Gosh.

882
00:44:24.100 --> 00:44:25.460
You're the cover of IP addresses that you don't know.

883
00:44:25.460 --> 00:44:28.300
Gosh, what a way to take over a country in a way

884
00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:32.100
is use that kind of avenue, but man.

885
00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:33.940
So that's where the number comes from.

886
00:44:33.940 --> 00:44:35.900
That's what it is and it's not to be taken lightly.

887
00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:39.300
These digital spaces where kids can interact with others.

888
00:44:39.300 --> 00:44:41.300
Chris, how would, how would parents,

889
00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:44.220
they just, they just heard you say that, yeah.

890
00:44:44.220 --> 00:44:45.260
And now you got their attention.

891
00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:46.860
How would they find, how would they go check

892
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:51.500
their kids' device to see if they're there, if they're using it?

893
00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:54.460
Well, first, we need to limit the number of places

894
00:44:54.460 --> 00:44:58.020
where children are interacting with others.

895
00:44:58.020 --> 00:45:00.620
We just need to limit the number of doorways

896
00:45:00.620 --> 00:45:03.420
that kids have access to even have contact

897
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:05.180
with these kinds of individuals.

898
00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:07.540
So we keep talking and it's appropriate

899
00:45:07.540 --> 00:45:08.420
because it's popular.

900
00:45:08.420 --> 00:45:11.740
Roblox, for example, should have the chat turned off.

901
00:45:11.740 --> 00:45:14.780
You can play Roblox without chat,

902
00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:16.860
but you have to go in and actually turn it off.

903
00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:19.660
Our website explains how parents can do that

904
00:45:19.660 --> 00:45:21.100
at Protect Young Eyes Dexons.

905
00:45:21.100 --> 00:45:24.140
Go to the app reviews, go to alphabetically down to Roblox,

906
00:45:24.140 --> 00:45:26.100
turn off the chat, right?

907
00:45:26.100 --> 00:45:28.700
If they have an iPhone or an Android device,

908
00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:32.260
I believe all parents should control what apps

909
00:45:32.260 --> 00:45:33.140
they're downloading.

910
00:45:33.140 --> 00:45:36.540
You can set up the control so that you approve the apps.

911
00:45:36.820 --> 00:45:38.740
They don't just have willy-nilly access

912
00:45:38.740 --> 00:45:41.620
to millions of different applications that can be downloaded.

913
00:45:41.620 --> 00:45:44.820
They give them access to all of these horrible places.

914
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:46.940
So we need to be controlling the doorways

915
00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:48.740
by controlling the apps that they download.

916
00:45:48.740 --> 00:45:51.860
Real simple steps that parents can take

917
00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:54.900
just to limit the risk that they might get in.

918
00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.220
And at the end of the day, in my time in youth ministry,

919
00:45:58.220 --> 00:45:59.580
something that's almost always been true

920
00:45:59.580 --> 00:46:03.340
if a child was going to get into trouble on a device,

921
00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:05.740
there are almost three things that are almost always present.

922
00:46:05.740 --> 00:46:07.860
We call it the toxic trio.

923
00:46:07.860 --> 00:46:11.380
Bedrooms, boredom, and darkness.

924
00:46:11.380 --> 00:46:13.100
Bedrooms, boredom, and darkness.

925
00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:15.020
Never behind a closed door.

926
00:46:15.020 --> 00:46:18.900
I don't care if they're 17, and on the verge of graduation,

927
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:20.100
never behind a closed door.

928
00:46:20.100 --> 00:46:22.780
Because as a man who struggled with compulsive use

929
00:46:22.780 --> 00:46:25.380
of pornography for years, I can tell you that at 10 o'clock

930
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:27.300
after everyone has gone to bed,

931
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:30.780
there is this way that you believe you can get away

932
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:32.740
with anything at night.

933
00:46:33.460 --> 00:46:37.300
Evil permeates the night that you would read in the morning.

934
00:46:37.300 --> 00:46:39.100
You go, oh, Lord, thank you.

935
00:46:39.100 --> 00:46:40.780
There's mercy again, but dang it.

936
00:46:40.780 --> 00:46:44.580
Why did, you know, and there's something about the night.

937
00:46:44.580 --> 00:46:48.140
So never behind closed doors, never in that darkness.

938
00:46:48.140 --> 00:46:52.180
And make sure that, you know, you're just involved

939
00:46:52.180 --> 00:46:53.300
at boredom.

940
00:46:53.300 --> 00:46:55.780
That comes from a survey that we did of teenagers

941
00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:57.140
who were struggling with pornography

942
00:46:57.140 --> 00:47:01.700
and those things were present for those who struggled the most.

943
00:47:01.700 --> 00:47:03.740
And so we can control that as parents.

944
00:47:03.740 --> 00:47:04.740
Wow.

945
00:47:04.740 --> 00:47:09.340
What are some of the success stories that you've heard?

946
00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:14.620
Can you give us a testimony where you, maybe you read about

947
00:47:14.620 --> 00:47:16.820
or you experienced or you were involved in,

948
00:47:16.820 --> 00:47:20.140
where a kid was this way and through hope

949
00:47:20.140 --> 00:47:23.700
and through education and love and guidance,

950
00:47:23.700 --> 00:47:27.020
they came around.

951
00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:28.740
There's two that pop into my head right away.

952
00:47:28.740 --> 00:47:33.780
One that's maybe to encourage the parents who feel

953
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:37.460
like they have to, they have to give their kids access.

954
00:47:37.460 --> 00:47:41.060
So I received a message through our website years ago

955
00:47:41.060 --> 00:47:43.780
from a 19 year old college student.

956
00:47:43.780 --> 00:47:46.060
I'll just use the name Emma for anonymity.

957
00:47:46.060 --> 00:47:47.500
And Emma said, you know what?

958
00:47:47.500 --> 00:47:50.660
My parents went to one of your presentations years ago

959
00:47:50.660 --> 00:47:53.620
and they decided not to give me access to social media,

960
00:47:53.620 --> 00:47:56.820
not to give me a smartphone like all my friends had.

961
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:58.980
And I am so thankful that they did.

962
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:02.540
Well, she actually became a board member of mine.

963
00:48:02.540 --> 00:48:05.900
I'm a nonprofit because I was so encouraged by her testimony

964
00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:08.300
and she was so thankful and she went down a path

965
00:48:08.300 --> 00:48:13.060
of helping kids because who were struggling

966
00:48:13.060 --> 00:48:16.340
and went into teaching because of the way that she was raised.

967
00:48:16.340 --> 00:48:18.500
And I hear that over and over again.

968
00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:20.020
They hate you right now.

969
00:48:20.020 --> 00:48:22.660
I was just going to say, it's their job almost

970
00:48:22.660 --> 00:48:24.940
to not like the decisions we make.

971
00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:28.300
But everybody has fun and they're going to think I'm weird.

972
00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:29.420
I know.

973
00:48:29.420 --> 00:48:33.740
But she was still thankful that they had made that decision.

974
00:48:33.740 --> 00:48:36.540
I had another mom and I want to say this to parents

975
00:48:36.540 --> 00:48:39.300
who might find that their children are struggling.

976
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:42.460
And I had a mom who reached out who had discovered

977
00:48:42.460 --> 00:48:46.220
that her son had been sneaking a device at night.

978
00:48:46.220 --> 00:48:48.700
It had been watching porn hub late at night.

979
00:48:48.700 --> 00:48:49.900
This was an 11 year old boy.

980
00:48:49.900 --> 00:48:51.060
And I tell this story.

981
00:48:51.060 --> 00:48:51.900
11 year old?

982
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.460
Yeah, I tell the story in my book.

983
00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:54.580
And she was crushed.

984
00:48:54.580 --> 00:48:55.420
She didn't know what to do.

985
00:48:55.420 --> 00:48:57.580
She felt horrible as a mom.

986
00:48:57.580 --> 00:49:01.060
And she said something to me that really struck me.

987
00:49:01.060 --> 00:49:03.860
She said, every time I look at him,

988
00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:06.860
I feel like he's broken.

989
00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:08.220
And I just felt this prompted.

990
00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:11.740
I said to her, I don't remember her name exactly.

991
00:49:11.740 --> 00:49:15.060
I said to her, I want you to remember this.

992
00:49:15.060 --> 00:49:17.780
He's still your amazing son.

993
00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:18.540
Yeah.

994
00:49:18.540 --> 00:49:21.180
He's still your amazing son.

995
00:49:21.180 --> 00:49:22.660
That act doesn't shake.

996
00:49:23.540 --> 00:49:24.740
Doesn't define who he is.

997
00:49:24.740 --> 00:49:28.460
He was born a beautiful, created son of God.

998
00:49:28.460 --> 00:49:30.340
He still is today.

999
00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:32.660
That doesn't change who he is.

1000
00:49:32.660 --> 00:49:33.980
And so she found help for him.

1001
00:49:33.980 --> 00:49:37.180
And that one sentence, she broke into tears on the phone.

1002
00:49:37.180 --> 00:49:41.300
Like one sentence just totally changed her perspective

1003
00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:44.380
so that she could approach him with hope and forgiveness

1004
00:49:44.380 --> 00:49:45.940
and you're still mine.

1005
00:49:45.940 --> 00:49:50.060
And that's all my parents said, oh, then in the midst of a problem,

1006
00:49:50.060 --> 00:49:52.780
our kids need to know the answer to two questions

1007
00:49:52.780 --> 00:49:56.380
almost immediately if you discover they're done something wrong.

1008
00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:59.780
Number one, am I going to be OK?

1009
00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:02.260
And number two, are you still OK with me?

1010
00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:02.780
Wow.

1011
00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:03.460
Yeah.

1012
00:50:03.460 --> 00:50:05.180
And they may not ask those, but they're

1013
00:50:05.180 --> 00:50:07.620
wondering what the answer to these questions are.

1014
00:50:07.620 --> 00:50:08.140
Exactly.

1015
00:50:08.140 --> 00:50:09.140
So we've got to know before.

1016
00:50:09.140 --> 00:50:10.780
They're feeling there's feelings.

1017
00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:14.460
And our face may answer them before we say a word.

1018
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:17.060
And so I need parents, especially in the digital age,

1019
00:50:17.060 --> 00:50:20.260
where the probability of a child making a choice

1020
00:50:20.260 --> 00:50:22.260
that we don't like has gone up exponentially.

1021
00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:25.180
We decide right now, before that happens,

1022
00:50:25.180 --> 00:50:27.540
that we're going to approach them in that way.

1023
00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:30.060
In the same way, we hope Christ, we know,

1024
00:50:30.060 --> 00:50:32.500
meets us in our mess with that kind of love.

1025
00:50:32.500 --> 00:50:34.140
We're going to meet them in the same way.

1026
00:50:34.140 --> 00:50:38.140
And parents need to understand that they need

1027
00:50:38.140 --> 00:50:44.660
to have a healthy, beautiful sense of righteous indignation,

1028
00:50:44.660 --> 00:50:47.260
not against that little boy or that little girl.

1029
00:50:47.260 --> 00:50:48.100
Absolutely.

1030
00:50:48.100 --> 00:50:52.660
Against the one who rarely ever gets the blame for what he's

1031
00:50:52.660 --> 00:50:55.700
due for, how many times do we hear people say,

1032
00:50:55.700 --> 00:50:57.860
why did God do this to me?

1033
00:50:57.860 --> 00:51:01.660
Or why does God allow this to happen when in reality,

1034
00:51:01.660 --> 00:51:04.580
Jesus said, I've come to give you life.

1035
00:51:04.580 --> 00:51:08.620
The devil has come to rob you, kill you, and to destroy you.

1036
00:51:08.620 --> 00:51:09.140
That's right.

1037
00:51:09.140 --> 00:51:12.860
And so we need to realize that my little boy or my little girl

1038
00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:17.900
did not turn into this and is not a reprobate animal.

1039
00:51:17.900 --> 00:51:22.780
But the spiritual power is behind the attack upon their life.

1040
00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:29.380
Is ruthless, plain for keeps, and more than anything,

1041
00:51:29.380 --> 00:51:32.780
is to get this education that you offer.

1042
00:51:32.780 --> 00:51:35.500
But for those who are watching right now,

1043
00:51:35.500 --> 00:51:37.500
they may not have the hope and the protection

1044
00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:39.260
and the assurance that you and I enjoy.

1045
00:51:39.260 --> 00:51:42.340
And that is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,

1046
00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:45.980
that a Christian home, a real Christian home,

1047
00:51:45.980 --> 00:51:49.540
not a Sunday Christian home, a real Christian home.

1048
00:51:49.540 --> 00:51:52.140
There's recovery, there's reconciliation,

1049
00:51:52.140 --> 00:51:56.300
there's forgiveness, there's space for repentance.

1050
00:51:56.300 --> 00:51:59.140
And the enemy that engineers these evils

1051
00:51:59.140 --> 00:52:04.140
to destroy our children, the enemy winds up being defeated.

1052
00:52:04.140 --> 00:52:08.140
What the enemy meant for evil, God will turn around for good,

1053
00:52:08.140 --> 00:52:08.980
parents need to know.

1054
00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:10.620
And that's the mission that you're in.

1055
00:52:10.620 --> 00:52:13.020
Tell us more about protecting young eyes.

1056
00:52:13.020 --> 00:52:14.540
How long has it been going?

1057
00:52:14.540 --> 00:52:18.220
And what do you offer our viewers right now?

1058
00:52:18.220 --> 00:52:20.380
Well, I just, I love the way you set that up.

1059
00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:22.140
I mean, I think you intended to do this.

1060
00:52:22.140 --> 00:52:25.620
But that is what I represent.

1061
00:52:25.620 --> 00:52:30.860
Protect young eyes is what I see God turning my misery

1062
00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:32.660
into ministry.

1063
00:52:32.660 --> 00:52:34.340
That's a quote from Pastor Jacob Iran.

1064
00:52:34.340 --> 00:52:37.100
So he says, it's beautiful when God does that.

1065
00:52:37.100 --> 00:52:40.140
And that, which the enemy intended to destroy me,

1066
00:52:40.140 --> 00:52:42.340
that experience with addiction.

1067
00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:46.940
So protect young eyes is my attempt for all the parents

1068
00:52:46.940 --> 00:52:50.060
that are watching this to help them not allow their son

1069
00:52:50.060 --> 00:52:53.060
or daughter to turn into the 12-year-old version of me.

1070
00:52:53.060 --> 00:52:54.180
Wow.

1071
00:52:54.180 --> 00:52:58.260
And that comes through prayer, but also practical protections.

1072
00:52:58.260 --> 00:53:01.900
Of course, we pray for the hearts and souls of our children.

1073
00:53:01.900 --> 00:53:03.420
But if we don't do practical, getting to get up,

1074
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:04.420
we're still going to have problems.

1075
00:53:04.420 --> 00:53:05.940
We're still going to have problems.

1076
00:53:05.980 --> 00:53:06.460
That's right.

1077
00:53:06.460 --> 00:53:09.340
And so we try to dismantle some of those complexities

1078
00:53:09.340 --> 00:53:10.020
for parents.

1079
00:53:10.020 --> 00:53:12.380
So go to the website, protect young eyes.com.

1080
00:53:12.380 --> 00:53:14.740
You will find, I've been accused of giving away

1081
00:53:14.740 --> 00:53:16.580
way too much guilty.

1082
00:53:16.580 --> 00:53:18.580
You go there, you find every device

1083
00:53:18.580 --> 00:53:21.820
that you're having your home, how to set it up step-by-step,

1084
00:53:21.820 --> 00:53:25.260
how all the apps work step-by-step just to understand them,

1085
00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:27.820
including a lot on artificial intelligence related

1086
00:53:27.820 --> 00:53:29.940
to Chad G.P.T. and AI Companions

1087
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:32.180
and things we can have a whole other podcast,

1088
00:53:32.420 --> 00:53:35.420
conversation about all free, un-gated,

1089
00:53:35.420 --> 00:53:37.300
and available on our website.

1090
00:53:37.300 --> 00:53:39.460
That's sort of like the level one.

1091
00:53:39.460 --> 00:53:41.180
If you need level two help,

1092
00:53:41.180 --> 00:53:43.580
I have a small digital coaching community.

1093
00:53:43.580 --> 00:53:46.180
Think of like Geek Squad, like support.

1094
00:53:46.180 --> 00:53:49.140
If you don't know how to certain things on your router

1095
00:53:49.140 --> 00:53:51.540
or how to have a conversation about this or that

1096
00:53:51.540 --> 00:53:54.580
with your kids, Abby from my team manages,

1097
00:53:54.580 --> 00:53:57.020
she's my lead there in this coaching community

1098
00:53:57.020 --> 00:53:58.500
called The Table, coincidentally.

1099
00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:00.220
We want parents to come to the table

1100
00:54:00.220 --> 00:54:01.660
to have these conversations.

1101
00:54:02.300 --> 00:54:03.700
And that's also there.

1102
00:54:03.700 --> 00:54:05.420
And then the live presentations

1103
00:54:05.420 --> 00:54:07.500
that my team does all over the country.

1104
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:10.780
Every school year, we do three to 400 presentations

1105
00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:14.900
all over and we love coming to speak to kids, to teach them

1106
00:54:14.900 --> 00:54:16.660
so they know what tools that are available to them

1107
00:54:16.660 --> 00:54:19.180
but also to the courage, yeah.

1108
00:54:19.180 --> 00:54:23.380
In fact, speaking to the youth group here at Calvary

1109
00:54:23.380 --> 00:54:26.100
and so we know that kids need to have information

1110
00:54:26.100 --> 00:54:28.860
so they're empowered when mom and dad aren't there.

1111
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:31.460
And so we do these kind of conversations all the time.

1112
00:54:31.460 --> 00:54:33.220
So that's the business.

1113
00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:36.860
You're doing this out of love and commitment.

1114
00:54:37.700 --> 00:54:39.860
Have you gotten pushed back from those

1115
00:54:39.860 --> 00:54:42.100
who do it out of profit and manipulation?

1116
00:54:42.100 --> 00:54:43.900
Have you gotten like threats?

1117
00:54:43.900 --> 00:54:46.420
Do people want to shut you guys down for what you do?

1118
00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:48.780
Because you're bad for business

1119
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:52.940
when it comes to the roadblocks kind of a world.

1120
00:54:52.940 --> 00:54:55.340
Yeah, I mean, wow.

1121
00:54:55.340 --> 00:54:58.380
Well, thankfully, we live in a time now.

1122
00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:03.380
I'd say 10 years ago, I was on a pretty sparsely populated island.

1123
00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:05.260
There weren't many people in 2015

1124
00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:07.100
who were saying don't give your kids smartphones

1125
00:55:07.100 --> 00:55:09.260
and don't give your kids social media.

1126
00:55:09.260 --> 00:55:12.100
Praise God, there are a lot more huts on this island now.

1127
00:55:12.100 --> 00:55:13.940
I mean, thanks to the work Jonathan Height

1128
00:55:13.940 --> 00:55:16.540
in the book that he wrote the anxious generation

1129
00:55:16.540 --> 00:55:20.580
that I'm sure many people who will watch this have read fabulous.

1130
00:55:20.580 --> 00:55:24.220
To be honest, Pastor, that's a book the church should have written.

1131
00:55:24.220 --> 00:55:27.500
I'm thankful that I'm thankful that John did

1132
00:55:27.500 --> 00:55:30.260
and I know him. He's an amazing, amazing man.

1133
00:55:30.260 --> 00:55:31.900
Even though we come from different world views,

1134
00:55:31.900 --> 00:55:34.900
we can agree on the spot that human beings matter

1135
00:55:34.900 --> 00:55:36.780
and we've had a lot of conversations about that.

1136
00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:38.100
That's awesome.

1137
00:55:38.100 --> 00:55:39.580
And because of that, there are more

1138
00:55:39.580 --> 00:55:42.060
and more like protect young eyes out there.

1139
00:55:42.060 --> 00:55:44.220
And that's the thing, parents, I love you.

1140
00:55:44.220 --> 00:55:46.580
But the days of ignorance are over.

1141
00:55:46.580 --> 00:55:47.420
That's true.

1142
00:55:47.420 --> 00:55:49.140
There's enough resources out there.

1143
00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:50.340
We've got no excuses.

1144
00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:52.300
We've got to do our work.

1145
00:55:52.300 --> 00:55:53.980
I wish it weren't true.

1146
00:55:53.980 --> 00:55:57.940
But if we're going to choose to have children today,

1147
00:55:57.940 --> 00:56:00.620
part of the gig of parenthood is to understand

1148
00:56:00.620 --> 00:56:03.140
the digital spaces where they can visit,

1149
00:56:03.140 --> 00:56:05.980
which is why I want to try to make that job easier

1150
00:56:05.980 --> 00:56:07.420
because I know it's overweld.

1151
00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:08.580
So come to us.

1152
00:56:08.580 --> 00:56:11.180
We'll try to dismantle some of the things

1153
00:56:11.180 --> 00:56:12.740
that feel overwhelming.

1154
00:56:12.740 --> 00:56:13.940
I'm told over and over again,

1155
00:56:13.940 --> 00:56:15.940
because I don't have a tech background.

1156
00:56:15.940 --> 00:56:18.860
I'm a CPA who went into youth ministry

1157
00:56:18.860 --> 00:56:20.580
who now is working in a field

1158
00:56:20.580 --> 00:56:21.900
and never expected to be working in.

1159
00:56:21.900 --> 00:56:25.740
And so we tend to be able to explain things in a way

1160
00:56:25.740 --> 00:56:28.260
that average moms and dads can understand.

1161
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:29.740
And we love that.

1162
00:56:29.740 --> 00:56:33.860
Well, so the website, again, protectYoungEyes.com.

1163
00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:37.100
And the book, Five Habits of the Tech Ready Family.

1164
00:56:37.100 --> 00:56:37.940
Where do they get that?

1165
00:56:37.940 --> 00:56:39.700
At the website or Amazon or what?

1166
00:56:39.700 --> 00:56:41.660
Anywhere they buy books.

1167
00:56:41.660 --> 00:56:44.860
It is available for pre-order depending on when you watch this.

1168
00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:47.780
It will be officially published on June 16th.

1169
00:56:47.780 --> 00:56:49.540
But it can be pre-order now.

1170
00:56:49.540 --> 00:56:51.460
In fact, let me do a plug for you.

1171
00:56:51.460 --> 00:56:52.140
OK, all right.

1172
00:56:52.140 --> 00:56:56.260
Hey, everybody, listen up, I had to learn this.

1173
00:56:56.260 --> 00:56:58.860
Chris mentioned the word presale.

1174
00:56:58.860 --> 00:57:02.460
The world of publishing, believe it or not,

1175
00:57:02.460 --> 00:57:04.500
much of the success of his book will

1176
00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:09.140
be determined in the opening weeks of presale.

1177
00:57:09.140 --> 00:57:10.380
Publishers do this.

1178
00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:12.700
How does the book do in presale?

1179
00:57:12.700 --> 00:57:17.740
If it does well in presale, then they will write it.

1180
00:57:17.740 --> 00:57:19.780
They will categorize it.

1181
00:57:19.780 --> 00:57:24.220
A book can even become a bestseller in the genre

1182
00:57:24.220 --> 00:57:27.940
or in the category of while it's still presale.

1183
00:57:27.940 --> 00:57:30.540
And then once it gets out, it just takes off like a rocket.

1184
00:57:30.540 --> 00:57:35.900
So friends, family, listen, get his book now on presale

1185
00:57:35.900 --> 00:57:37.020
and buy it.

1186
00:57:37.020 --> 00:57:39.220
And you'll be the first one to get it.

1187
00:57:39.220 --> 00:57:42.060
The publishers will ship it to you.

1188
00:57:42.060 --> 00:57:43.900
But presale really matters.

1189
00:57:43.900 --> 00:57:46.260
We've got to get this word out.

1190
00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:49.460
And we're going to do everything we can

1191
00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:51.140
to see what we can get from you.

1192
00:57:51.140 --> 00:57:52.100
This is news to him.

1193
00:57:52.100 --> 00:57:53.660
I haven't told him about this yet.

1194
00:57:53.660 --> 00:57:58.380
But I'm wondering what of your video content

1195
00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:01.140
that we might be able to get together with you

1196
00:58:01.140 --> 00:58:05.020
and air on the real life network?

1197
00:58:05.020 --> 00:58:08.100
So hundreds of thousands of people can sit down

1198
00:58:08.100 --> 00:58:11.420
any given day to watch all that because we want you

1199
00:58:11.420 --> 00:58:14.060
to succeed because the more that you succeed,

1200
00:58:14.060 --> 00:58:15.980
the safer our kids are.

1201
00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:18.460
And the more equipped parents will be.

1202
00:58:18.460 --> 00:58:20.980
And so, Chris McKenna, we are so grateful for you.

1203
00:58:20.980 --> 00:58:21.820
I'm blown away.

1204
00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:23.740
And thank you for this mantle of warfare

1205
00:58:23.740 --> 00:58:24.660
that you've taken on.

1206
00:58:24.660 --> 00:58:26.300
So, you're a blessing to us.

1207
00:58:26.300 --> 00:58:27.220
God bless you, my friend.

1208
00:58:27.220 --> 00:58:28.060
Likewise, thank you.

1209
00:58:28.060 --> 00:58:28.900
Thanks a lot.

1210
00:58:28.900 --> 00:58:36.340
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1211
00:58:36.340 --> 00:58:39.100
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1212
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1213
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