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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints, and impact our culture. So are you gonna go to heaven?

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Are you sure? Can you be for sure? Are there those who are on their way to heaven?

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And they may not make it, or are there those who don't even think about God at all?

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And they're going to go? What's the truth on this? Does Jesus really know who really belongs?

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Let's hang on. Let's dive in. Let's get into the Bible and see.

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You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast.

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Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ,

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then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us, that's like saying,

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amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what

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God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast and really

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important. This is coming out of something to be very honest with you as we are currently at this

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time frame moment going through on Sundays at the church, the book of Romans. I couldn't wait.

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I love Romans chapter one to eight. Love it. Who couldn't love it? But the way that I was brought

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up spiritually at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa under Chuck Smith. And I'm only telling you that

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because I went to Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa under Chuck Smith, I couldn't wait to get the Romans

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9, 10 and 11. Right now we're halfway through Romans 9 on Sundays. And the way that I was brought up,

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Romans chapters 9, 10 and 11 are thrilling. They're awesome. And I'm having a great time. I think

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we're something like, don't quote me on this because I'm kind of off the calendar in my head,

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but I'm going to guess that this is at least our third or fourth Sunday in Romans 9. And we've

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only gotten to the 13th verse in a month because we're just unpacking it systematically. And listen,

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number one, letting the Bible interpret the Bible. So I happened to have gotten saved at Calvary

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Chapel, Costa Mesa. Greg Laurie was giving the gospel on a Monday night. I thought he was the

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pastor of Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa until I went to church the following Sunday. I got saved

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in a Monday. I went to church on Sunday and this this bald older man came out and I thought,

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who's this guy? Oh, Calvary, Costa Mesa was Chuck Smith's ministry. And he cracked open the Bible.

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And guess what? Book of Romans, brand new believer, book of Romans, my jaw dropped. I don't know

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how long it took us to go through it, but it was just incredible. And guess what? I don't remember if

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ever, if ever Chuck in the in the nearly two decades that I was there, I don't remember Chuck

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Smith ever bringing up much, ever men's names. He was never a name dropper, ever.

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But when I went through the book of Romans with him, it was just, it made such so much sense.

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It's so awesome. And I'm so glad I did. And the reason why that's important is because

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there are people sadly, and I know I'm going to upset some of you guys. Can you just hear me out

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right now? You guys, we get all kinds of input from people. And some people are just

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bizarro, fanatical weird. And when I say fanatical weird, it's like this stuff. I think these are

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fanatically weird people who when I say, man, I love a W tozer. Oh my gosh, tozer's a freak. He

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believed that you could actually experience God. Tozer talked a lot about experiencing God. And

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it's like, wow, I'm so surprised that people have a problem with a W tozer because I read

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everything that I do read through the filter of my Bible. This is the Bible. Whatever tozer's

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written is not the Bible. Can you handle that? Whatever Charles Spurgeon wrote is not the Bible.

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Charles Spurgeon wrote, but Charles Spurgeon wrote about. But if I quote Spurgeon, some people

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because frankly, they're so shallow and frankly immature, they start foaming at the mouth and

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their eyes rolled in the back of their head because I quoted Spurgeon. What a pathetic response

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to an incredible man of God who he had his own quarkiness. So Charles Stanley had his quarkiness.

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Chuck Smith had his Dr. David Jeremiah, J. Vernon McGee, excuse me, if you, me, I have mine,

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if you don't think you have your quarkiness, not all of us come to the exact same landing on any

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particular verse of the Bible at all times. That's where there's commentaries written by man.

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They're not inspired by God necessarily. Now the Bible versus their quoting, they are. And some

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of the teaching where it is in line with scripture 100%. You can tell the believer can tell when

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somebody says, look, I'm going to say something. Get ready to foam. Get your napkin ready. You're

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going to have, you're going to have a seizure in a moment. You will never hear me publicly

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endorsed William Barkley. William Barkley's got some very bizarre views in his commentaries.

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William Barkley, the commentator, but I read Barkley because he's profoundly insightful and

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accurate regarding background content. Background content, William Barkley's great. But William Barkley

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didn't believe in the miracles of Christ. That's bizarre. That's nuts. Guess what? If I'm going to

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teach on the miracles of Christ, guess whose book I'm not going to use. Barkley,

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you know why? I boast in Christ in him alone. I've read enough of this book to know that all books

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must bow to this book. And so I've got an anchor that when I read anyone's book publication,

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if I listened to anyone's podcast or sermon, I judge it all against the Bible just like you should

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do me. And by the way, that's what Acts 17 11 is all about. Everything Paul said he was teaching

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and preaching should be judged against the Word of God. Isn't that awesome? So I mentioned William

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Barkley. I glean from him just like Ruth glean from Boaz's field, right? I pick what I want. I pick

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what I need. If I read a Spurgeon, I pick what I want. I pick what I need. When I read from

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oh, here's a note, watch. If I read from J.C. Ryle, great insight, especially the Gospels,

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wow. But do I hold to the views of Soteriology, for example, that J.C. Ryle held too? Not all of them.

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You say, how can you say that? You're just jack. How can you judge J.C. Ryle? That's easy for me

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to judge J.C. Ryle. I just go to the Bible. So for example, you're not going to hear me mention often

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the men of God who are known for what people listen, please listen, what people have made them into

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B in the realm of controversy. So for example, big fan of D. Martin Lloyd Jones, big fan.

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Now some of you now, now you're leftized rolling in the back of your head because

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Martin Lloyd Jones said that he was a Calvinist. The funny thing about Martin Lloyd Jones is that he

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has profound evangelistic sermons. Let me see what's the point. Well, here's the beautiful point.

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You've got John Calvin's teachings and not all of those conclusions on tulip. If you know what I mean,

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you know what I mean? If you don't, you don't need to know. But I don't agree with the definitions

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of tulip of the today modern Calvinist person. In fact, if John Calvin came back, he'd probably slap

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some people up around the face because I don't even know if Spurgeon or Calvin or Luther would agree

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with all that stuff. But listen, there's stuff, for example, Martin Luther, who Martin Luther,

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the great reformer. Of course, he was the great reformer. But did you know that Adolf Hitler used

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Martin Luther's view of the Jewish people to justify, he used Martin Luther as a cover

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to do his demonic antics, Hitler did. Did you know that? Did you know that Adolf Hitler thought

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there's parts of Luther that were right on that he could use to make himself look good against

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the Jews. Martin Luther was an anti-Semitic individual, the great reformer. People who want to

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talk about that, I don't care. I don't care because he's dead and gone, okay? What I care now

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is about, what does the Bible say? It's the only care I've ever had. People will say to me,

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good, bad, or ugly, whatever your view is, is irrelevant to me, is, well, you're so bold about

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what you believe. You know why? Notice I have a little thing that I've practiced in my life.

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I don't get excited about things unless I know what I'm talking about.

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So for example, I don't know why I just turned the pages on this. I was in John chapter 10,

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that's where I wanted to bring this up. I was in John 10 and how do you hear this? How do you

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respond to this? Are you ready? Listen up. And this, this, this is a dovetail. It does,

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dovetails or coalesce is perfectly with Romans 9, 10 and 11. John 10, 27, Jesus said,

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my sheep hear my voice. I know them. Question, when did God know those who are his sheep? Answer,

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Romans 8 and Romans 9, just to pick one area of Scripture, that from about Romans 8 to 30,

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and then into Romans 9, verse 1,

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all of God's doctrines Ephesians 1, verses 4 and 5, I think, and Ephesians 111, I think,

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deal with predestination because it's a biblical doctrine. What does that mean?

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Well, read the Bible. The Bible says that based on God's foreign knowledge, he predestined those,

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and it says right there in Scripture, he works in them, his sanctification work, it says,

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all the way out to glorification, whom he for new, these he also predestined, these he predestined,

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and he goes all the way to glorification. When I was taught the Bible as a brand new believer,

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see, I didn't have any denominational influence. I had no church background at all. I just think,

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God, I went to a church where a guy sat down on Thursdays on a stool with the Bible open,

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or he stood by in a pulpit on Sunday with the Bible open, and all you heard was Bible.

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In a little bit of expository Bible, a lot of Bible, a little bit of expository, a lot of Bible,

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and so I didn't have any trash. I didn't have any baggage of influence from other great believers

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before us. So denominations often are very passionate about their founders to the point where

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they will ignore other parts of Scripture to stay true to their denomination. That's very sad.

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I do believe that that's in a can to teaching the traditions of men over the doctrines of

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God. That's a boo-boo man. That is bad news, and that's where Paul was messed up. A soul of

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Tarsus was messed up before he became Paul, the apostle. So my question to you is this. Jesus

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says, my sheep. Oh, Jesus knows who his sheep are. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them. When did

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Jesus know them? What does the Bible say? He knew them in foreknowledge. When was that exactly?

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The Bible says in Ephesians 1 before the universe, before the foundations of the world, materialism

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was ever created. I'll ask you this one. When was Jesus created? You see, He's never been created

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exactly. You know why? Because He's God. So what can He know? He knows everything. Yes, He does.

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foreknowledge is that He knows everything in advance before anything ever was.

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Before a billion years ago ever existed, Jesus knew who his sheep would be.

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Does that freak you out? Go ahead. Not me. I love it. Awesome. God, thank you. Wow. I feel so

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safe. In secure, my sheep hear my voice. They follow me. They follow me. Do you want to follow

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Jesus? Or do you want to follow Luther? Do you want to follow Jesus? Or do you want to follow

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Chuck Smith? Do you want to follow Jesus? Or do you want to follow John Calvin? Do you want to

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follow Jesus? Or do you want to follow Tozer? Or I don't know. Whoever, Billy Graham, David

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Jeremiah, Stanley, Spurgeon, fill in the blanket. It doesn't matter any name you want.

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The answer should be no. You do not want to follow them.

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You want to glean from their ministries like I hope you can glean from this one.

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But beware. Judge everything against the Bible. The Bible is the final word. See people get into

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two name battles, word battles when they are not letting the word of God have its authority.

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If you come up to me and say, Pastor Jack, I believe that people should be baptized forward.

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There's people who actually say this. Great. Knock yourself out. Go for it.

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Really, are you agreeing with people? Then do you believe that you should only be baptized

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forward? I didn't say that. I only have one stipulation about baptism. Sorry, too.

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Number one, you better have repented of your sins to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

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First, if you get baptized before that, you're not baptized. You just got wet.

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Nobody gets baptized unless they're born again. Period says the Bible.

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Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. I just had a word battle

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yesterday with Catholic doctrine, penance. This person actually said, show your penance

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and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. I said, you change that word in

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meaning to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Now we got something

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to work with. But if you're telling me that go do your good works and the good deeds that you need

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to do and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, the book of Galatians says you have fallen

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from grace. You're not saved. You're believing in works and Christ's blood. Can't do that.

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You cannot mix works in with blood. If the blood is covering your life and you're born again by

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the grace of God Almighty, Ephesians 2 verses 8 and 9, not by works, but by faith and Christ

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in Him, then you're born again. But if you try to mix your morality and add it to his blood,

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you've just contaminated his blood. Can't do that. It's impossible, unacceptable to God.

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It's by grace and it's having faith in what Christ has done for you, grace, grace. How Lindsay,

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I think it was. Oh, how Lindsay, the guy that made the movie, the Lake Great Planet Earth, how could

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you? Yeah. How Lindsay, a human being said, a great way to remember the doctrine of grace is

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the acronym God's riches at Christ expense. Look, he may have been a movie maker, but that's

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pretty awesome stuff. That's good doctrine. Grace is God's riches at Christ expense.

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It's not God's riches at Christ expense and yours or mine that blows up the whole world. You

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can't even spell grace if you add me or I to it. It doesn't work. And so Jesus is my sheep here,

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my voice. They, they, and I know them. They follow me and I give them eternal life and they shall never

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perish. Pretty bold, yeah. I love it. Neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand. Do you believe

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that? I believe that with all my heart. I don't need it. Listen, I believe that so much. I don't

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believe I can snap myself, snatch myself out of his hands. What does that make you? Are you,

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are you a Calvinist or are you Armenian? Are you, what are you? I don't even know what I am if

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you're going to use those human terms. I'm not following any man. I know this before the

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universe ever was and before I was ever created in my mother's womb, Jesus knew based on his

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foreknowledge forever ago that there would come a time in my life when I would hear the gospel

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by his grace. And even though I didn't quite understand it, I was so convicted. I felt, look,

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I don't care what you say about this. I remember where I was sitting on June 20th, 1977,

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go look and see, look it up. It's a Monday. It's just before 9 o'clock PM and I remember where I was

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sitting and how I began to sweat as I was brought under the conviction of the Holy Spirit who I

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didn't even know existed. And I found out that I was going to hell by default because of my sinful

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life. I was so convicted. I was mortified. You didn't have to convince me I was going to hell when

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Greg Laurie enumerated on that night a sermon titled How To Inherit Hell. You didn't have to

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convince me by 8.50 PM that night. I had no idea what was coming. I'd never been to church before

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my life. And when he said, if you want to have your sins forgiven, I perked up. This is what you

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need to believe and confess. And he gave the gospel. I said it. See, what were you feeling? What

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was I feeling? I was feeling like if I didn't pray immediately that the earth was going to open

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up and swallow me. I was going to go straight to hell. I am not kidding you. I was freaked out

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convicted because I was guilty. He went down this list of 10 things and I was guilty about 7 of

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them. All I needed to do was to be guilty of one of them. And the Holy Spirit just dialed down on

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me. Man, he pressed in and I was so busted. I had no place to hide. I went forward that day,

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that night by myself. In fact, I asked somebody to go with me. They said,

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dude, you're on your own. I was so glad they said that. Sounds pretty cruel, right? I'm glad.

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I had nobody hold my hand to the altar. It turns out I didn't need anybody to hold my hand to

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the altar because Jesus, before the foundations of the world knew that when the gospel would go

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forth, he knew that I would respond to his offer of eternal life. And in this case,

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in your case, if you believe this or not, I believe that God is the creator. And he didn't make us

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angels, even though they do have free will. Angels were not created in the image of God. We were.

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I believe this. And this is one reporter's opinion. I'm not even asking you to believe this.

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But I believe that God built into us a little bit of sovereignty whereby we can actually make

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choices. And if I choose to accept the gospel and be born again, I have to give God all the glory

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for inviting me, for allowing me to heaven, for sending Jesus. When I walk into heaven,

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I know it's going to be by his grace. I'm not going to pat myself on my back and say,

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well, boy, did I make the right decision on June 20th, 1977? Are you kidding? I'm going to be

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on my face saying, thank you, thank you, thank you, God. In the same token, because God gave us a

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little bit of sovereignty to make a choice when the gospel is presented. And there are those

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people who say, I don't want this. I'm religious. I've got, I was baptized as an infant. I don't need

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Jesus or I'm an atheist. I don't believe this. And or I don't like the way God's running the

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universe like Christopher Hitchens didn't like the way God was running things. And denied God.

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If you die and wind up in hell, guess who you have to blame? Only one person, you. God

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provided the way of eternal life and you refused. I imagine if I send you a letter and it's

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addressed to you and you don't open it up, who's bad is that? It's not mine. It's yours.

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Who are you going to blame? You know, everybody in hell read Luke chapter 15 and 16. Who are you going

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to blame? Those that are in hell today, they only have one person to blame. It's themselves.

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Romans chapter one makes it very clear. Nobody goes to hell or heaven. Even if you're in the remote

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jungles of South America, God reveals himself to you. Romans chapter one, read it. All of mankind

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are without excuse. Even if you live in the, you've never heard the gospel and you live in the

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desolate regions of this Siberian wilderness in Russia, according to Romans one, God is speaking

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to you in creation and speaking to your heart. So the bottom line is this. I revel in the joy,

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the freedom, the comfort. I don't worry or fret if I'm the elect or not. I know this. I never

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would have wanted Jesus into my life unless Jesus knew me from the foundation of the world.

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I became his sheep on June 20th, 1977, but according to Jesus, based on his foreknowledge,

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I had always been one of his sheep. I just hadn't been born yet. He knew that. I didn't know that.

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And so he says those that are mine, not only will they not be able to be plucked out of my hand,

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you can't take them out of my father's hand. I and my father are one. I love that almost at a time.

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In fact, allow me to draw this. So this, and forgive me in advance for this. I'm not an artist, but

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so it kind of to me looks this way. Okay, so here's the, okay, so sorry,

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that doesn't look like much to you right now. But let's say, let's let's put S for son and F for

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father. Okay, here we'll do this. One's got a hole. Yeah, one's got a hole through the hands.

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The other one doesn't. And then there's me. Here's my feet sticking out.

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You see that? That's me in the middle. Right, that's me in the middle of the God sandwich.

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I'm in Jesus's hands. I'm in the father's hands. Nobody can take me out of there. Nobody.

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Death in our life, principality does her powers. Nothing. I love this. Listen, if you don't agree,

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yeah, you don't need to eat, you don't need to email me or text me that you disagree. I'm enjoying

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this thing called Christianity. I'm enjoying the salvation that he has given. I try to give

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the gospel to as many people as possible. And I let him use that gospel to every creature that

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goes out. I let I let I'm supposed to give it. Whatever they do with it is between him and them.

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And the reality of being saved is that now I don't live for those things that I used to live

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for. I live for him. And now I want to do what he wants me to do. And now I don't need the 10

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commandments posted on the wall of my home or my office. Don't need him. He posted them in my heart.

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And do you know what you know what's greater than the 10 commandments is the commandment that says

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love God with all of your heart. And I'm working on that every day when I say work. I yield myself

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every day to him. I don't work on anything except to stay close to him. And I'm commanded to love

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my neighbors, including my enemies. There is no 10 commandments if that's your pursuit. That's

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the first commandment if you think about it. And if your Christianity terrorizes you and those

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who are around you, how sad is that? Nobody wants to join your team. Maybe nobody wants to go to your

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church because you're teaching a miserable gospel. There's no joy in it. It's all what are you

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going to do for God? What are you going to do for God? You got to get up and do this for God. How

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about this? How about you come to God and fall on your face in front of him and let him wash

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you of your sins. And then the Holy Spirit takes control of your life and he does with you what he

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wants to do. Don't get up in the morning and say, God, this is what I'm going to do today. You need

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to get up in the morning and say, Lord, what are we going to do today? What do you want me to do today?

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It's not what I want to do. It's what he wants to do. And there's such liberty in that

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that no matter what happens today, if today there's a 10.10 earthquake that hits Southern California

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and I perish or I don't have a house anymore, that's God's business. That's not my business.

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He knew in advance. It's a pretty worry free life. You want to get bogged down in the words of man,

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knock yourself out. I would rather listen to what he has said and rejoice in him.

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