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real life presents the Jack Kibs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth equip the saints and impact our culture and I take the head cover off

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and it was like the religion unraveled I think I read about this this is where

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didn't you speak you you spoke somewhere and you didn't have your hijab on right

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and if I remember right an e-mom or someone made it clear to you repeatedly

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that I was going to hang from my hair for an eternity and hellfire for

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taking my head cover off so I was just about worshiper prayed five times a

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day past it every year and then they told me I was gonna hang from my hair for

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an eternity and hellfire and I said you know what I that can't be God what kind

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of God would you know and I just decided I was living I hadn't met Jesus yet but

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I was leaving it's long

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you can get the outlines of this podcast by going to Jack Kibs dot com slash podcast

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today if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled

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now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you here is Jack Kibs hey

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we want to welcome you to this very special podcast one that by design we have

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almost no plan and what I mean by that is we have no time set to this I know that

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it would be great to be 20 minutes a lot of people just want to get a 20-minute

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bite move on but my guess today is certain to not only blow your mind but blow your

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heart based upon what God has done in her life is absolutely remarkable and I have

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with me here in studio Hedia Miramari and she is the founder of Resurrect Ministry

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and that's what she does now but I want to talk to you about how you got started tell

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people your journey where did you begin what was your belief system what was your but I like

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to say faith struggle so shall I start all the way back as a child as a small child anywhere

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you want okay well I my parents came from Iran the 60s so before I was born I was born

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in the United States and they came to live the American dream so before the revolution

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before the clear revolution in Iran they came from my dad to finish medical school so and

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the reason I tell that part of the story is because they came with a hope and a dream

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to be Americans and they raised us very patriotic so they loved this country they were very

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happy to be here and they raised us to be Americans to learn to fit in to speak English

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at the dinner table they really wanted to be Americans and at and part of that process

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we lost our Persian culture so to speak we for sure did not practice religion at all and

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so as I was growing up I thought I was an American kid flash forward to the Iranian hostage

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crisis well 1979 yes I seen 79 I remember I'm old enough to remember you're not I am yes

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no I remember it like it was yesterday because it was when the school approached me and said

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we're getting an influx I was in Beverly Hills and so they said we're getting an influx of Persian

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kids we want you to come and help them to assimilate and learn the school and I looked at the

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principal and I said why me and she said are you kidding me like what and I literally did not

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understand that I was that that I was a Persian American and I would be the one that would

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help these Persian kids because until that point I had no identification as a Persian

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so that experience actually got a lot of bullying I was kids were constantly harassing me telling

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me that I was a killer and a hostage taker so suddenly I went from being this normal American

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kid to being associated with this revolution so the the kids automatically associated you with

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radical Islam right suddenly nothing before no it suddenly is just thrown exactly exactly and so

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it it kind of stuck with me in my life because I suddenly became confronted with who I was and then

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as I continued in high school went to college I decided that in in the beginning of college

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life I wanted to marry my high school sweetheart who was a Jewish boy and he went oh this is

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so it's so easy because everybody in Beverly Hills was Jewish we were literally like the only

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person I hadn't met a Christian person and so I went to college so we went to his parents and

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told them first before we told my parents and his mother was like over my antibody yeah and he said

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what we were both shocked like what do you mean why and he says she's a Muslim you can't marry

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a Muslim and I was like wait I'm not a Muslim I'm just Persian but I can become a Jewish person

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I could become Jewish and she's like no absolutely not and you were what age and I was 19

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and you fought wow so you're hearing this at the age of 19 yes and so I decided wow I was devastated

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and I went to my parents and I said you don't gonna believe what happened to my dad said listen

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you're a table you've got legs people eat that's that's the utility of a table you want to pretend

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to be a chair that's up to you but you're better off trying to figure out what it means to be a

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table was his way of telling me you should figure out what it means to be a Persian Muslim

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and that set me on my journey to discover Islam and I went through college took a bunch of classes

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attended a mosque and decided okay I'm gonna be a Muslim now and in that experience going to

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become a Muslim I went to a mosque that a guy I was dating had attended and he and they invited

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me to be on their board for this new organization they were starting and this is in LA this is

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in LA Southern California Vermont downtown LA to be particular and it was I was horrified I was

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I was suddenly horrified by what Islam meant because the way they described it was you know we need

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to make America a Muslim nation we need to convert everybody to Islam we need to have lots of

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children so that by population by demographics will take over right and I just thought to myself

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what in the world if this is religion I want nothing to do with it and my dad I would go home and

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talk to my parents and they're like what what are they telling you over there and I said I don't

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know it just doesn't make any sense to me what so I'm sorry I'm right but your mom and dad were not

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practicing at all and your dad was a medical doctor in LA yes and and just living the freedom that

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this country affords absolutely and you now are at a age where you're getting all of these

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revelations and I'm confused and I feel like I don't fit in and I don't belong and actually my

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father was what was known as a Republican bundler so he was a fundraiser for the Republican party

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so we were going to fundraising events since I was a little kid I interned for governor Wilson

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before when he was senator yeah I interned for then president Bush and so I was involved in

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politics and Republican politics since I was very very little it was a very big deal to my father

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okay I don't want to get you too far off this course but now you're making me think because if

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I remember right and and I do remember right so you're talking about coming from a conservative

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background yes out of the southern California Beverly Hills area you worked for Pete Wilson

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and George Bush how is it then that on the internet I can find pictures of you with

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President Barack Obama in the Oval Office well because I worked for five presidents I was a

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federal contractor so it would didn't not matter what administration it was I had federal contracts

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with the defense department with Homeland Security with Department of Justice regardless of

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administration yeah so and actually even President Obama they knew my politics even when I was

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sitting there and so it was actually quite a testament to the background that I had in the subject

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matter that they would have invited me and included me yeah wow so yes so where was I college

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college so I go to this mosque which I would describe as a pretty radical in an extremist mosque and

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then I was disillusioned with Islam I said if this is religion I want nothing to do with it I was

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looking for a relationship with God and this has nothing to do with God and lo and behold I come

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across some individuals that hear me talking to other people about this and they say to me you know

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what you have to meet the Sufis and the Sufis were a spiritual set and so they said you're going to

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like it so much better than this this is just not your cup of tea one thing led to another I met

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the Sufi community I got very involved and they were the beginning of the struggle for the

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soul of Islam so basically everywhere in the Middle East where radical Islam was encountering

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normative cultural Islam the Sufis were at the forefront so long before the extremist started

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killing Westerners they were killing Sufis so whether this is North Africa India Pakistan

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everywhere that the extremist gained a foothold through the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups

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they killed the Sufis first and so I was fascinated by this topic yes you're very good you

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could tell I was like jump at any time jester what's this is Judy jester oh friend yes where would

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he where would I place him would he be where would I place him yes we we were colleagues on

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many projects so when they were looking for five decent Muslims anywhere in DC it was me

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Judy okay Zaynab we were a very small click and he runs an NGO and Zaynab Zawaj once American

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Islamic Congress her and I were colleagues as well so whenever they were looking for the moderate

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Muslims that was us but he's not a Sufi so he was not the same secular group he's just kind of a

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I think a culturally Muslim person that doesn't adhere to any particular I see division or

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so now you're moving along and and I was fascinated by the struggle I was because I was I was

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raised very patriotic and then I hear that this extremism has come to the American soil mid 90s

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this is when bin Laden starts recruiting for Afghanistan and Bosnia in the United States

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I'm going to northern California and checking out what they're doing in terms of recruitment there

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and I meet two FBI agents that are like who you and I was like I don't know who you

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and they're like what are you doing here and I said what are you doing here and it was like

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it was this very sweet encounter where they were like listen if you're doing what we think you're

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doing can you help us because we don't understand what's going on and it was my sense of patriotism

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plus my concern for mainstream Muslims that they were going to get dragged into this mess that

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the extremists were doing and I wanted to protect the community and so that that literally started

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my career with the bureau and with the US government and then eventually I ended up moving to DC

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to get more involved in in the federal space and in basically fighting Islamic extremism and

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led to a 22 year career as a federal contractor so I served in our embassy in Afghanistan I was

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in a pointee for W for President Bush Jr and worked for the Justice Department for the State

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Department I traveled all over the Middle East during after 9-11 when President Bush Jr had a

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bunch of projects to try to explain America to the Muslim world I attended a lot of those and

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my last int was at FBI headquarters building a terrorism prevention program so when when you

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finally though arrived or the photos that you see of you with Obama and others in the Oval Office

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what was your capacity at that time what were you there as a consultant to him to the administration

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yes or yes so I had built the first evidence-based terrorism prevention program in the United States

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and so President Obama is building what's called the countering violent extremism agenda

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and my project was almost entirely funded by the Department of Homeland Security and Department of

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Justice so I was brought in as basically a subject matter expert based on the work that I had already

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done that the federal government had funded that's fascinating yes moving ahead so I'm at the FBI

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and this is the pittacle of my career I mean I have arrived at this point I have you know a top

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secret security clearance I have my own office it's just amazing and so I said to myself I just

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want to take my head cover off I was fully covered for all of my career I said I you know what I'm

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tired of this I'm older what do I need it for and I take the head cover off and it was like the

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religion unraveled I think I read about this this is where didn't you speak you you spoke somewhere

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and you mean you didn't have your hijab on right and if I remember right and Imam or someone made

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it clear to you repeatedly everyone went that I was going to hang from my hair for an

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eternity and hellfire for taking my head cover off so I was just about worship or prayed five times

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a day fasted every year kept a ritual purity of a washing that I had to do every time that I

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used the restroom and then they told me I was going to hang for my hair for an eternity and

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hellfire and I said you know what I that can't be God what kind of God for you and I just decided

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I was leaving I hadn't met Jesus yet but I was leaving Islam and it was and my friends were like

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where are you going and I said I don't know but I'm going anywhere but here and so I left my entire

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social network I left not only my professional career that I had you know spent decades building

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but I said that I would just wanted to leave DC and I wanted to come back to California because

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to my parents my parents were getting older and my father would call me every single week low

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and behold I find out now I know why but begging me to come home so I found out just recently my

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father recently passed from cancer but apparently he knew for a while that he was sick and so he begged

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me to come home so I said okay I'm going to go home and I still haven't met Jesus but I knew I was

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leaving Islam and so I tell people it was like God extracted me out of that religion and then

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burnt burnt every bridge behind me like literally set it on fire so that by the time I arrived in

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Southern California I had no social network no friends nothing and it was a time where I just I

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had no relationship with God and then as soon as difficulty hit I didn't know where to go because

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I'd been a worshiper for so long having no connection to what I knew of to be God was devastating

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for me and I followed this tweet of a girl that I didn't even know who posted a video over the pastor

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so the first pastor I met was this pastor that she had posted a YouTube video of and I'd

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mentioned this to you before it was pastor verdict and it and I was hooked I was like mesmerized I

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was just why tell me why why did that grab you it's it was the story of redemption that no matter

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who you were no matter what you had done Jesus will save you and remember in Islam you have no

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promises salvation you have no guarantee not only no guarantee but I spent 22 years of my life in

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that religion and they told me I was going to burn an hellfire they knew that for sure but they

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couldn't tell you that you were so sure and even as I was it I would ask clerics all the time I

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was one of those like bratty kids that would ask the obnoxious questions and I'd be like so you

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can't guarantee me that I'm going to heaven like no matter what I've done like all these good things

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I've done they're like no dear we can't and I was like like yikes and my confidence should be

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confident I'm going and there and nobody ever answered that question so listening to the pastor say

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believe him he loves you he will save you was I had never heard such a glorious thing I had never

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I knew nothing of Christianity I spent 22 plus years in DC in interfaith activities of one

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sort or another and nobody ever witnessed to me I can't tell you how many churches I sat in

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that nobody ever told me that Jesus Christ could be your Lord and Savior this is all you have to

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do is believe unto him nobody ever said that to me that is tragic isn't it yes yes and so I tell

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Christians all the time please share the gospel you don't understand how many people maybe sitting

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next to you that that would spark a fire in them or seed a plant a seed you know I love it because

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as Western Christians they fail at that mission because of I don't know what it is breaking the

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ice not knowing how to strike up the conversation but I would argue that it's easier for the Christian

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to engage in a dialogue about God with the Muslim yes than an atheist absolutely right because at

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least with Islam there is a theology versus an atheist you know has his her arguments of whatever it

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is but to witness to the Muslim would you agree I think I'm hearing this from you is that inside

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of the Muslim is a very predominantly soul I'm sure this pluses and minuses do this but a soul

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it's disciplined it's wanting to do the right thing we want to we want to experience God's

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favor we want to hear our prayers answered but then to be missing the truth and God was leading you

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all along to the truth absolutely so once I so I and you're absolutely correct because Muslims

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we're talking about mainstream Muslims they have a yearning to be a worshipper they love God they

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just don't know who God is wow so people tell me oh you're just flipping teams and I was like no I've

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always loved God I just didn't know who he was he just finally revealed himself to me so I tell

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people when you're talking to Muslims to Christians share your faith let ask them about theirs and

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then you turn around say well this is what my God is you're talking about a personal testimony yes

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extremely powerful we don't do that enough yes it's just culture right and people are afraid of

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intimidating and I said well you don't have to use apologetics you don't have to tell them how

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Muhammad is a pedophile you just have to talk about what Jesus has done for you exactly exactly true

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and so that's basically what I've done with my ministry too so so back to the the pastor so I was

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just I would literally mesmerize I was binge watching him to the point where my daughter would walk

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in and be like what do you what who is this man that's on the TV screen constantly and so then I

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started to pray the way that the pastor was describing to pray and in one of those prayers I just

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sincerely just begged God to reveal himself I said I'm confused I don't know who you are anymore

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will you please just reveal yourself to me tell me who you are and it was at that prayer that I

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audibly heard the voice of Christ say Hedia it's me I know we have limited time I'm gonna be quiet

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right now and I want you to bring us up to speed on who you are today what is God doing with you

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today why should anyone be following you make the case for the great things that God has done

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in your life to him be all the glory because I I definitely could not have done any of it on my

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own he asked me early on I heard in prayer repeatedly even though I fought it to start a ministry to

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start an online ministry to give women and then anybody the opportunity to meet Christ where they

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are so that's my tagline is he will meet you where you are because whether you're a princess

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walled up in a palace in Dubai or a housewife in Encino whether you're a Muslim or you're a Christian

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that just doesn't attend church Jesus wants to have a personal relationship with you and I try to

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create a platform where people could do that so I provide Bible resources sermons of course like

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your own I blog and it's the content for my Christian post articles and then I have a web portal

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where I answer questions directly and I tell people I answer those emails myself and if they

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want to arrange a phone call or a consultation and I've had Muslims reach out to me I've had

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Christians who had family members that were about to convert reach out to me and basically say

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what could we do to intervene and to speak and to witness to our kids before they go off and you

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know try to convert to Islam and so that is resurrect ministry dot com resurrect ministry dot com singular

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yes singular and I also do a podcast with my husband and we do a daily devotional from Smith

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Wigglesworth and that's called the Living Fearless Devotional thank you for resurrecting Smith

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Wigglesworth very few people on the planet even know really oh goodness I love it yeah good for you

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yes and so Andy and Andy Falco human is that's his name we do the podcast together and so people

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I still use my maiden name of course so when people ask like you know why do you guys have

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different last name it's because I just built my professional career on my maiden name

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but yes so we're on the edify Christian podcast network as well as apple and all the others

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but edify is actually a new podcasting network that comes from the Christian post

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so I'm an exclusive columnist of the post I'm just going to say yes

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some of the articles and I've read not all of them but I've read many of them and some of them

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I've reposted I need to do more excellent work and I think maybe I'm guessing I think maybe

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some of your articles have have caused some shaking yes I would like to think so I mean I know

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that they they love them so the head of it is dr. Robert land and they don't shy away from

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controversy they've told me say what you want say it how it is as bold and as courageous as

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you want to be and I tell people the only memory I have of dr. Robert land personally is I was at

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the president bush juniors roundtable 25 years ago a religious roundtable and dr. land never

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participated in interfaith activities and so one day I went up to him being this obnoxious

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you know under 30 year old and I said dr. land how come you never come to our interfaith activities

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and he looked to me and said young lady there's only one god and that's the Lord Jesus Christ

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come on come on my drop and I just forever those words are etched in my mind if I could ever say

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somebody witnessed to me though that was it that one sentence for dr. land and he's now my boss

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at the question post it's not only god only god only god and then I do a tv show called remnant rising

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about the end times and interviews with Muslims and Jews that have come to christ and basically about

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prepping and all these other fun stuff that has to deal with end time prophecy and eschatology

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all of the knowledge of which I learned from you amazing so what kind of stories what kind of

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reports what kind of responses are you getting from the people who have found you it is so I don't

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read and read it I try not to read a lot of the negative comments because it's a good practice uh

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it's you know my husband told me and I I learned it also from clients that I used to work for

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the the Trump pack and so we were schooled on how not to pay attention to the negativity and

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it was it was a it was a very good lesson but the positive things and the and the constructive

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criticism if there is it if that if I could put it that way is people appreciate the boldness

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because they're usually they don't hear that Muslims are willing to talk out boldly they usually

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hide their faith and so I think that's kind of interesting for people that I'm able to come out

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quite publicly and I tell people that the Lord told told me early on battle tested combat ready

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daughter and it's just it's the way I was raised I mean I I lived and worked in war zones I

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traveled 37 countries for the US government I've been to places where I almost got frostbite I've

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been shot at I've had to escape a border in the middle of a civil war so this battlefield now as a

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soldier of Christ is the best yet ever and I'm actually now finally doing something that I believe

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is going to be worthwhile in a way that's you know eternal and bringing souls to Christ so

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I want to ask you something personal you can choose not to

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open book was it for for your Muslim family was it hard for them to

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it was very hard so my my daughters side from her father's side

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um virtually none of them speak to us I lost all my friends my parents stayed with me thank God

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um but my ex a lot of my extended family once nothing to do with us and so uh the but the

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best part is is because they say they're afraid of my influence so oh what a compliment that's

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salt and light it is it is they're just like you know before we know what she's going to make

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them Christians and I was like hallelujah yes I pray for that every day absolutely so

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and isn't that something for both you and I people born in a different culture different background

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and all of that and other or I should say um apart from the name of Jesus our paths never would have

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crossed it's one name that Jesus from the Bible that has brought us together that is that is

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working in our lives and it's that name where countries are either open to his name or they're

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close to his name I find it fascinating that that Jesus is such a threat to some socialistic

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or atheistic or some sort of despotic nations they are so terrified of someone that they say never

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existed right but you can't have his book and you can't mention his name exactly it's actually

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remarkable but that just speaks to the transformation so um one of these cameras around here I'd love

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for you to look at and I want you to convince or at least give the Holy Spirit ammo to speak into

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someone's heart maybe it's maybe it's anyone everyone maybe it's a woman who are considering

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Islam or some that are bound tell them to reconsider right yeah and please tell them where to go

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if they want to know more okay dear lord I hope I can convey the simplicity of your message that

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if you open your heart and believe that God sent his only son to die for us so that our sins

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can be forgiven so that we could have eternal life it is the free gift of salvation and it is

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so so precious I lived a life uh struggling striving begging pleading God for salvation for that

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promise of eternity and I never knew that Jesus Christ gives it to you freely all you have to do

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is believe and love him and open your heart to him and I invite you to take that opportunity that

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free gift that you do not earn or deserve and take it from him and allow him to live inside of you to

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have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and to be able to use that power to transform your life

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and the life of those around you I never thought it was possible and people around me kept telling me

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that it's not true and then I experienced the redemptive power of Christ and my life has never been

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the same so it's not that you don't have difficulty or trials but the trials don't overtake you

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because Jesus is always with you he doesn't promise he won't give you trials but he promises to walk

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you through them and so I invite you to have that experience with the Lord Jesus Christ where you are

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wherever you are and he will meet you where you are and they should go to resurrect ministry.com

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and please feel free to drop me a message ask me a question I'm happy to answer it directly thank you

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that's awesome great job thank you pastor such an honor God bless you until next time take care

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