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The idea that we have of like, I want to like create a legacy, it's like, dude, you

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not making a legacy.

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He was ruler of a country.

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I can't even remember his name when I'm related to him.

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And so if you do that enough times, it just becomes humans.

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Welcome to the game where we talk about how to get more customers, how to make more

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per customer and how to keep them longer, and the many failures and lessons we have learned

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along the way.

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I hope you enjoy and subscribe.

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Welcome back again to the ice coffee hour with Graham, Jack and Alex, where we will

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talk about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and all things awesome.

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I love that.

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Thank you so much for making the time for us.

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No, you bet.

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Thanks for having me back again.

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Well, education starts really early.

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Yeah.

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How would you change that right now if let's say the current schooling system, which seems

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to teach you kind of how to stay in line, how to think like everybody else, get your homework

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done on time.

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You got to shop at it.

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You know, 8 a.m.

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The school ends at 3.

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Do you think that's a good model?

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I mean, obviously, it's amazing.

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It's amazing.

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No.

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But tell me your thoughts on that.

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I think two broad statements is, I think the purpose of education is to teach you how

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to think rather than down a memorize, and especially now with technology that we have, if you

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can pass a test with having an iPhone with you, then in my opinion, the test was poorly

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designed because it's not going to, and then we have to rewind until like, what is the

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purpose of education, right?

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The education system overall, the product of that is people who can add value to society.

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That's the product of the education system, the raw units are humans.

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The output of the system is people who can add value to society.

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Okay, cool.

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So if that's the system, then there's a lot of leeway there in terms of how we can

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get there.

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I think the system that we have set up is inherited from the factory worker, you know, when

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it was being designed versus now.

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Now I think we need a lot more problem solving skills than we did back then.

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A lot more divergent thinking processes.

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And if you're not familiar with this, this is a fun little exercise.

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What school teaches right now is conversion thinking.

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And so that means that there's multiple variables and one correct answer.

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And so it's like one plus one equals two.

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There's only one correct answer, and now they're even telling you there's only one way

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to find the answer.

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And if you don't find it the way they want you to find it, then it's also wrong, which

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is ridiculous.

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But anyways, divergent thinking is when you have multiple variables, but multiple correct

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answers, which is like how many different ways can you use a brick?

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And what's interesting about that is that you can also have multiple right answers,

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and some answers that are more right than others, which becomes very difficult to grade,

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but also how the real world works.

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And we're rewarded based on how right our YouTube video really is, right, or how right

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our article is, or how right our product is, and how we can solve problems using more

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creative methods than trying to converge on a single answer.

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Because if it's a convergent thinking process for the most part, it's already been kind

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of automated and everyone can do it, right?

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You get paid for what you can think of in the creative box of like what are other people

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not thinking of.

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And so I think that more of the education system to be around divergent thinking and divergent

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problem solving.

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Do you think that's ever going to happen?

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Mostly just because of the power dynamics that exist.

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And like, if you've ever saw the documentary waiting for Superman, it was one of the only

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movies that I've cried during because it was just the education system, and it was just

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showing how there are so many impediments to it getting fixed.

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It's not just one party, like you've got the teachers unions, you've got the funding

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for the schools.

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You've got like, there's all of these things that are almost all diametrically opposed

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to one another, and then the only people really suffer are the kids, and then ultimately

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the country.

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So anyways, I do think the way that it'll have to get solved is that there is an alternative

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schooling system that gets developed that because of technology, and the whole Robocon

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said this, but technology democratizes consumption and consolidates production, which means

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that if you're the best in the world, you get to do it for everyone, right?

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Which a lot of people don't like from a capitalist perspective, but that's also silly because

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I feel like there's just Pareto at work, but why would you not want the best math teacher

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teaching everyone math?

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Like it makes sense, and because there's zero cost of duplication, and now everyone's

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kind of understands how Zoom works, and how we can continue to use life virtually.

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There's really no reason to have, now it gets scary because teachers unions and what are

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all these people going to do for work and all that stuff, but just like the switchboards

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for when there used to be girls who would switch for telephones, they're like, what are

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Technology automates that, like Web 3 is just blowing up.

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There would be jobs as we solve new problems, we'll create new ones, right?

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And so to say like, we have to keep something that doesn't make sense, doesn't provide

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value to the system for the sake of it, doesn't make sense to me.

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And so I think that it would probably have to be a new architecture where the best people

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teach, and then kids learn, probably at their own pace, and the testing would probably

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have to change in order for it to be more real world.

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And if we wanted it to be real world, then I think you need to match conditions, which

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is, real world, you have your phone, like, now take the test.

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Don't you think that like the schooling system would need to be somewhat localized, though?

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Like you can't have one person teaching over too big of a, like a, imagine one person controlling

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everyone's math.

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Like if you have one math teacher, you know, that's teaching everyone in the country, don't

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you think that there's like an advantage to having like, because each little part in

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each country has, it doesn't have to be one person, it's more like, it could be one

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You know what I mean?

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That's, that's more semantics, you know what I mean?

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And if the best person is more localized by the way they speak, whatever, than sure.

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But I mean, we're sitting next to Graham who's got a massive personal finance channel.

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And so if you're the best of personal finance, then more people will go to you.

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So like, that makes sense, yeah, yeah.

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You're, your schooling system does remind me.

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I completely forgot about Jack, I don't think you know about this.

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So in kindergarten, I had issues and in fact, my parents pulled me out of the school because

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after recess, they wanted all the kids to line up in order on this yellow line that led

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up to the front door.

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And so all the kids are still line up on that line.

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The bower was ringing.

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We all had to walk in one by one and I didn't want to stand on that line.

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And the teachers got really upset at me because I didn't stand on the line or I wouldn't

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want to stand on it.

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I don't remember.

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I think at the point, I just didn't see, I thought it was stupid or like, I just didn't

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get why I needed to stand on the line.

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I just, I didn't like standing on the line.

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And my parents pulled me out mid-year kindergarten to go to an alternative school and that's

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the school that didn't have any grades.

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They had no assigned seating.

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It was basically a big room and this continued by the way.

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So this school went until eighth grade, but no grades.

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It was either you got to check a check plus or check minus on any assignments that made

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the baby.

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And assignments were kind of like BS anyway, they're like, you know, draw something or like

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tell us to share something that you're excited about.

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But I loved it.

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It's amazing.

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It's amazing.

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But that's what, it really helped me because I hated, like I hated homework, I hated

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tests, I didn't like any of it and I just wanted to do my thing.

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But even being in kindergarten, you were the same person as you are today.

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Yeah, I didn't want to stand on it.

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It's like you only do what you want to do when you want to do it.

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And that's incredible that it's like phrased all the way back, you're in kindergarten.

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Might be great parenting too, because I would say that I was very different when I was

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younger, because it was very much like, if I wasn't on the other line, I'd be like, why

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weren't you on the other line?

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Like you're on the other line?

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Right.

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Right.

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And then that would be the end of that conversation and I would be on the other line the next

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morning.

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And so I, you know, it's great parenting too that they would let you do your thing.

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That is very true.

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But yeah, but I do think that really helps to have something that's different.

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It's interesting to me because because you were an academic, right?

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And if you could go back in time, do you think you would have spent so much time trying

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to do so well in school?

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Yes, because I think if something's worth doing, it's worth doing well.

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And that's more of like a personal belief.

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What's school worth doing though?

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I think that it depends on what age, because if you're learning to work hard and if you're

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like learning what hard work is, then I think that is a valuable lesson.

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The actual subject matter, you know, more or less irrelevant.

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I think that once people understand math and reading, then that's, that's pretty much

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what you need to go and learn the world.

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So that's, you know, if I were to like make recommendations to college students, I would

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say be a math and English double major because that's everything you need for life much more

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so than the other stuff.

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Right.

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But even with math classes, shouldn't they be teaching you how to use the iPhone app?

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I'm like, how to do math and like, here's an iPhone, we all get iPhones.

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Add, subtract, here's how you could do this.

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Use a more complicated calculator.

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I think that there's an element to it that should be there.

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Having a baseline of intelligence for math, I think is useful.

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I used to be really bad at math or at least I identified with being bad at math.

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And it was until my mid 20s where I decided I wasn't going to be bad at math anymore.

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And so I actually stopped using a calculator, which would make it seem like I'm contradicting

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my point and only did mental math for like a number of years and like calculated a tip,

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you know, on the bill with mental math.

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And I would try and, you know, do all the marketing metrics and all the sales metrics

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just in my head.

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And then I would, I would still use the calculator to check myself and then you get better and

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better and better at it.

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And so I think there's like, there's an essence of having like a semblance of like being

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directionally correct so that you can make kind of large quick decisions.

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But in terms of like exact calculations, the calculator does make more sense.

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So just using Excel for most people's life is probably even better than learning a calculator.

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Like I bought a book in Excel when I was in college and I was like, why are we not learning

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this?

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Like every single job you need to learn how to use Excel.

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I agree.

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And it personally, like there's so many uses for it and I had to learn how to do all the,

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it was just a book of the equations like, you know, equals some and I was like, oh,

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that's how you do that.

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Like I had no idea.

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And so I think those would be the more useful things.

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But I mean, a lot of people know that there's problems with the education system.

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But you know, they say, I hear, I forget, I see, I remember, I do and I understand.

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So that's Confucius.

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And so I think if there were more, like if I were to create a school around a skill,

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the school would be doing the skill.

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So if I wanted to teach sales, like they'd be selling, they wouldn't be learning sales

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theory.

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And so I think that there needs to be more application of the stuff to what people are

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going to use in the row world.

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It's just so difficult to change curriculum.

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So I think it's going to have to be an alternative path that's really flexible and they can't

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do the same thing.

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The old, old one did, which is like, this is now the way things are because then it'll

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get outdated too.

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It has to be a built-in kind of innovation wheel for not just adding, but also subtracting.

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What things are no longer useful because I think that's what people have more fear of.

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They just want to keep adding and adding and adding, but they don't also just like say,

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this isn't really how you tell me.

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If we could start over again, we'll include this course, we'll include this method.

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Probably not.

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So let's just let it go.

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It's too bad that you couldn't create some sort of curriculum like that though.

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Like a practical, just a two-year thing that might be 10 grand or something like that.

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I don't know how much you would charge for that.

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But for two years, just practical life skills, selling, Excel, I think Photoshop would be

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on that social media, how to make a good TikTok, how to keep retention, you know.

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How to send an email.

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How to send an email.

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How to send an email.

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That's a big one, too.

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How to message people.

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Because fundamentally, this is just how to communicate.

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How to human.

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Right.

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Right.

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That's what it is.

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And yeah, and we have to learn a lot of these things on our own.

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And there is the alternative education industry which, you know, you have a course and

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like, you depend on how you look at it like a franchise is an education system.

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It's just packaged differently.

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Yeah.

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And so like, there's lots of different ways of skinning the education game.

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But I think alternative is the way that is going to like, is the only way that I think

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it will.

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It will emerge.

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How would you reach out to somebody?

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Because that's an interesting topic.

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How do you get someone else's attention?

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Let's say Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk's like someone who's like typically out of reach for

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most people.

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How would you go about teaching somebody to have access to that person or even just get

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their attention?

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It would be hard.

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I mean, those are really extreme examples because those guys have everything, you know,

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and they probably have a lot of people reaching out to them.

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So I think the way to get there would be to have to go through like, from the heart.

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So it's just continued in network to try and find out information that's not as public

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about the things that they like.

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Is anything that is publicly known that other people have already like gotten him his favorite

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jersey to his face?

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You know, like, those are the obvious ones, but it's the less obvious ones.

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It's just like you're just trying to get noticed and they're like, huh.

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And to be fair, it would still be hard because I mean, they are the richest men in the

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world.

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Like the amount of money they have is hard to comprehend.

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And so like, there's no, there's no monetary value that can be delivered to them, right?

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And there's really no status value that can be delivered to them.

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So it's like, how do I add value to someone's life?

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And so I think that if I were, this is me just talking, thinking a lot of far try to add

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value or get gain access to somebody like that, it would have to be from the personal

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side.

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Like those people have everything material they could possibly want.

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And so it would have to be something immaterial, like not intangible that I think would hit

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the radar.

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Yeah.

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With Elon Musk, I think it's privacy.

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Right?

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You know, the Twitter, the Twitter, yeah, Twitter, who is, yeah, tracking his jets, got his

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attention, got into DMM, but now he's tracking the yachts, right?

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Everybody was doing the, the Russia, I think that yeah, yeah, yeah, I have no idea.

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Okay.

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I try not to pay attention to the news.

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All right.

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Yeah, now this is a kid.

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How old was he?

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16, 16 years old.

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He's like in high school.

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Yeah.

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16 years old.

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And he got Elon Musk's attention because he was tracking his private jet.

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Yeah.

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And he would post the coordinates on Twitter, like his jet went from this location to this

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location and then people could speculate from there, well, why is he going to this

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part in Texas a lot?

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Is there maybe something there that they're building?

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So then Elon Musk DMed him and basically just said, like, hey, would you mind taking us

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down like, you know, privacy is important to me.

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And then the kid said, no, and Elon Musk offered him $5,000 and then the kid countered

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back $50,000 and then Elon Musk said, you know what, like, I'd rather not pay for something

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like this or something like that, or he just didn't respond, which at that point

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sets up then the narrative that people could just track him and he'll pay them off,

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which I think is probably better to not engage with them.

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It's blackmail.

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Exactly.

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So, um, but now that that same kid is tracking Russian yachts.

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Weird.

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Yeah.

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But he's getting a lot, but he's getting a lot of attention for it.

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Well, I think it's important to mention that he's not just tracking them and posting tweets.

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I mean, he's developing software to do this automatically at 16 years old.

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Yeah.

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So he's getting a lot of attention from that.

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I see him every few days now on the headline of like CNBC, CNN, you know, what's the general

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idea of him?

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Do people like him or do they not?

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Uh, with the Elon Musk, it was $50,50.

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Some people were really for it and some people were really against it.

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And they thought it was creepy and invasion of privacy, but look up to tracking Russian

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yachts.

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It seems like everyone is on, not everyone, but a lot of people are on his side on that

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one.

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And they think that he's doing a service.

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Yeah.

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That's.

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Huh.

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So you mentioned like during that, that you don't pay attention to news at all.

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No.

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Why not?

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I can't control anything.

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And so like there's no, to me, there's no added value.

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Like my life is not improved as a result of news at all.

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It does get worse though.

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And so for me, like the limiting news is just eliminating a negative, it's like, do I

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want to have cortisol today?

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Sure.

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Let me check the news.

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You want some stress?

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Do you want some stress?

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Let's go check the news.

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Because I think I can't remember where I heard this quote, but it was the job of the

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news is to make everyone's problem, your problem.

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A journalist made this thing of like what makes something newsworthy.

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And so it was basically ways that they try and manipulate news in order to make it more

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interesting.

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So it's like, how do we make something odd or unusual or bizarre?

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How do we make something more local to people?

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How do we make it more recent, you know, like recency is a component of newsworthiness?

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And there was four other ones I can't remember.

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But it was just like, there's a formula for what creates news.

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And I don't want to be the product for news because a lot of people don't know it's like

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news stations are private.

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So like they're just like HBO.

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Like think like they're just like HBO.

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They have programming and people shop for their shows and they have commercials, which

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is how they make money.

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And so like their intention is to keep attention not to, you know, disseminate truth, right?

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It's not the goal because the thing is it's like the really true stuff is not interesting

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and will fail compared to a sensationalized news.

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Like it's just dollars, dollars and cents.

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So they have to make it.

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And that's just the nature of the business and I understand that.

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I'm not pooping it, but I don't necessarily need to subscribe to it.

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You know, I mean, like people want to give their attention to it.

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So then there will be somebody who will sell those eyeballs to advertisers.

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But their intention is not to educate me.

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Their intention is to make the world's problems, my problem.

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And I have enough problems.

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And so I don't need to add more that are relevant to me, to my list.

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Yeah.

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So on the scale of understanding what's going on in the world, would you say you're closer

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to like a one out of 10, like, no, nothing or, okay, probably a two, what would you

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say you are, Graham?

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Oh gosh.

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Probably an eight and a half to a nine.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I'm probably a four.

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You're a four.

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Yeah.

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I'm super out of touch as well.

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Yeah.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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And I see everything that will stock market or economy related news.

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So I see everything that goes on, but also worldwide events have a big impact on that.

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So I have to understand those events to be able to summarize that information if I need

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to.

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So yeah.

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So news is something for years now.

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I've read everything.

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I'd like to be able to read that so you could sell the eyeballs, because you've been using

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it.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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We try to make things relevant, you know, recent stuff like that.

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I'm continuing to move in this direction of like an anti-information diet.

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But like when I work now, I realize that I can just, if I just remove my phone altogether

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from the room, my level of focus just just goes, it feels like I'm on drugs.

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Because in what's crazy though is that, especially if you have so, now I just take my phone

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when I leave, but like when I'm at home, it's not with me because anything that's

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work related, I have slack and unfortunately, I feel like the vast majority of like the

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text messages that I get are usually requests.

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There are things that people want from me, I want me to meet, I want me to talk, I want

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me to whatever.

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And so it ends, I end up just getting stressed from seeing all the messages.

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So I may end up just changing my number again, but like which I do every so often.

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But just putting it away, when I go to sit down on my computer, I still feel like that

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ghost-itch of like, I want to reach for my phone.

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I like, there was a, oh, there's a pause point here for like a split second.

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Let me grab my phone just for that dopamine.

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And so like, I try to not do that.

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And media sources, social media and news in general, I don't consume any formal news.

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The only news I get is as I'm posting stuff on social media so that I can get it out.

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But I'm currently trying to figure out like a desktop version of that so I can just plan

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it so I don't have to consume.

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It's just really hard, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, at least for me.

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And like, I notice if I start my day consuming some social media, like my, I'm just not

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as sharp.

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You know what I mean?

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I feel like I'm a little bit foggier.

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It's like you get overstimulated and then everything else seems less interesting, you know,

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by contrast.

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Yeah.

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So just eliminating it overall has been very, very helpful for me.

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Would you start doing that?

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When my new executive assistant came in, that was telling me about this thing.

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Yeah, so this is crazy, Jack, okay?

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So Alex was telling me, if you want a coordinate to go to dinner, you just text this number.

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And I'm like, all right.

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So it text the number and she's like, this time, this date, does that work with you?

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It's like, yeah, that works.

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And she's like, all right, you're going to go to this place at this time.

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I was like, okay.

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And I asked Alex, I said, hey, did you know where you're going?

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He's like, no, she just tells me where to show up.

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That's great.

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I'm like, how did you pick this place?

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She knows my preferences.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's great.

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So he doesn't know where he's showing up or where he's showing up.

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But do you know who you're, who you're meeting most of the time?

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Yeah, she'll give you, she'll like breathe.

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So, so do you want to go to dinner with Graham?

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And you're like, no, or yeah?

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Mm.

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And then she's like, I'll pick out a time slot.

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Yeah.

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How crazy is that?

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That's incredible.

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You just have to know where he's going.

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Like, I would want to know, like, this place or this place or what, what are the preferences?

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No, it's just chop.

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There's all these micro decisions that you have to make that are like, big picture or

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relevant.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, what restaurant are we going to go to?

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Wow, what time?

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Like, she knows that on week nights, I want to be done by X-Type so that I can get the

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sleep that I want.

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And so she just planned.

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Because like, if you think about all the micro decisions you have and you think about

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them ahead of time, you already have a decision making process.

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You just haven't like spoken it out loud.

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Like, for Layla and I, if we're going on commercial flights, here's a hack.

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If you go two aisle seats that are on either side, you both get aisle seats.

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You get to be next to each other.

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But rather than having that one person who gets the middle seat that has to like trade

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off, two aisle seats works great, right?

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And so she knows that that's our preference.

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And so she will always go and try and find two aisle seats that are close to each other.

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And if those aren't available, what's the backup?

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What's the decision making process?

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So it's like, you outline all of those things, but you do it for everything.

478
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So it's like, if we're at an event, what type of food are you going to request?

479
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:55.340
I'm always going to probably have the chicken dish.

480
00:20:55.340 --> 00:20:56.340
I want them to double the chicken.

481
00:20:56.420 --> 00:20:58.180
And I'd probably want some extra carbs on the side.

482
00:20:58.180 --> 00:20:59.300
Cool. So she knows that.

483
00:20:59.300 --> 00:21:01.700
So when I go to events, there's like, here's your lunch and I'm like, great.

484
00:21:01.700 --> 00:21:02.700
I don't have to ask for it to you.

485
00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:03.700
He already knows the preferences are.

486
00:21:03.700 --> 00:21:06.900
And so, and it took me a really long time to understand this because I have, I have

487
00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:09.940
gone through, it's actually something that I was like really insecure about.

488
00:21:09.940 --> 00:21:12.940
I've gone through eight executive systems.

489
00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:13.940
Wow.

490
00:21:13.940 --> 00:21:14.940
Yeah.

491
00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:15.940
Why?

492
00:21:15.940 --> 00:21:21.300
I mean, there's two to say I got right partially me, partially them, I just being real.

493
00:21:21.300 --> 00:21:24.820
But I think that a lot of, I mean, fundamentally, it's my fault because I didn't know what

494
00:21:24.820 --> 00:21:25.820
I was looking for.

495
00:21:25.820 --> 00:21:26.820
Right.

496
00:21:26.820 --> 00:21:28.780
And so if you don't know what you're looking for, it's very hard to find it.

497
00:21:28.780 --> 00:21:33.300
And so that's why this time, it's been so great for me because she came in and she, she

498
00:21:33.300 --> 00:21:37.140
was a, you know, 20 year veteran executive assistant, she's like, this is how this is going

499
00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:38.140
to go.

500
00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:41.420
And I was like, yes, this is what I, like I knew within a day, I was like, this is going

501
00:21:41.420 --> 00:21:42.420
to work.

502
00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:46.540
And every other one was like, maybe it'll get better, you know, like, maybe they'll

503
00:21:46.540 --> 00:21:50.020
come around like I was like rooting for them, but like it wasn't, you know, great.

504
00:21:50.020 --> 00:21:51.660
But this one day, one I knew.

505
00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:56.180
And so the difference is a true executive assistant, it's almost like a time coach, it's

506
00:21:56.180 --> 00:22:00.740
almost like a partner with you where you're both working to optimize you, right?

507
00:22:00.740 --> 00:22:05.140
So it's not like an administrative assistant, which is different, which is just like I will

508
00:22:05.140 --> 00:22:08.420
handle your scheduling and, you know, answer the phone and respond to emails and things

509
00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:09.420
like that.

510
00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:13.500
But like a true executive assistant is somebody who's almost like a partner at the executive

511
00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:17.820
level who understands business at a very high level can make business decisions on your

512
00:22:17.820 --> 00:22:20.980
behalf, knows your like personal preferences, things like that.

513
00:22:20.980 --> 00:22:23.580
But for me, it's very much like a time coach.

514
00:22:23.580 --> 00:22:26.860
So when I wake up, every minute of my day is planned.

515
00:22:26.860 --> 00:22:30.780
And if I, let's say I finished a task that's supposed to take me, you know, 40 minutes

516
00:22:30.780 --> 00:22:35.380
and it takes me 22, I'd be like, not if I've got 18 minutes, what do I do?

517
00:22:35.380 --> 00:22:38.620
And she's like, oh, I'll pull this from tomorrow and I'll slide this in.

518
00:22:38.620 --> 00:22:40.380
And I'll see if I can move this to that.

519
00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:44.220
And so that, and like, I had a handful of preferences, I was like, no white space.

520
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:46.860
So for me, on my calendar, I just don't want any white space because I just wanted,

521
00:22:46.860 --> 00:22:49.980
like from time I start to time I end, I just want it to be going.

522
00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:53.260
And so by doing it that way, though, it's just like, I am just working on whatever's

523
00:22:53.260 --> 00:22:57.100
in front of me and she slides things in and I just, and I'm just in communication with

524
00:22:57.100 --> 00:23:00.260
her of like, and hey, this person wants to do something.

525
00:23:00.260 --> 00:23:01.260
I just send it to her.

526
00:23:01.260 --> 00:23:05.580
And then she goes and talks and says, okay, do you know, and I get a lot of podcast

527
00:23:05.580 --> 00:23:06.580
questions like that.

528
00:23:06.580 --> 00:23:10.420
And so, you know, rather than me having the awkward like, hey, like I get 10 of these

529
00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:13.660
a day, like, can you just give us some stats and what's your audience and things like that?

530
00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:16.500
It's like that entire process she can just handle.

531
00:23:16.540 --> 00:23:18.180
I don't have to go like, look at their profiles.

532
00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:22.100
See what, like, she knows what my decision making criteria is for all of those things and

533
00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:23.580
what's a yes and what's a no.

534
00:23:23.580 --> 00:23:28.580
And so it just allows me to outsource more and more and more of the decisions that are

535
00:23:28.580 --> 00:23:33.740
lower value add to portfolio company growth so that I can just purely focus on the things

536
00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:35.500
that have the highest leverage.

537
00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:38.060
Has she ever scheduled something that you disagreed with?

538
00:23:38.060 --> 00:23:42.340
Like let's say, let's say this podcast is an example where she would schedule you on

539
00:23:42.340 --> 00:23:43.340
something like that.

540
00:23:43.340 --> 00:23:47.340
And you're like, you know, I don't want to do that though.

541
00:23:47.340 --> 00:23:49.940
Probably will she hasn't yet.

542
00:23:49.940 --> 00:23:54.980
But I mean, if she did, I would say like here, like we have to update some decision criteria,

543
00:23:54.980 --> 00:23:58.660
like in this instance, this is why I wouldn't and then I mean, I wouldn't be upset because

544
00:23:58.660 --> 00:24:03.700
if it I would only be not upset, but I would only be maybe disappointed or whatever or frustrated

545
00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:09.340
or annoyed if the decision criteria that we had laid out was somehow not followed.

546
00:24:09.340 --> 00:24:13.260
But if someone, if I had it, if I have to add to it, then that's just like an opportunity

547
00:24:13.260 --> 00:24:14.260
to make the thing better.

548
00:24:14.260 --> 00:24:16.060
So like that's, I wouldn't be upset about something like that.

549
00:24:16.060 --> 00:24:17.060
Got it.

550
00:24:17.060 --> 00:24:18.060
How did you find her?

551
00:24:18.060 --> 00:24:20.140
She's an agency.

552
00:24:20.140 --> 00:24:21.660
We'd actually known each other for a long time.

553
00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:22.660
Right.

554
00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:23.660
Yeah, we'd known each other for a long time.

555
00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:26.260
She was an executive assistant of a really good friend of mine for eight years.

556
00:24:26.260 --> 00:24:30.460
And then as their company grew and like, you know, organizations shifted around, it made

557
00:24:30.460 --> 00:24:33.460
more sense for her to pursue a different opportunity and whatnot.

558
00:24:33.460 --> 00:24:35.580
And so we'd known each other already.

559
00:24:35.580 --> 00:24:39.980
So like, I was always like, I need, I need the her for me.

560
00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:43.740
And then it just happened and ended up being her curious.

561
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:50.180
If you could say about how much to me, that's what I was thinking, yeah, that's a world

562
00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:51.180
thinking.

563
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:53.380
There's no way it's less than, I'm, we should take a guess.

564
00:24:53.380 --> 00:24:57.380
I'm going to say probably a hundred and you don't have to say exactly, but yeah, I'm

565
00:24:57.380 --> 00:24:58.380
say 70.

566
00:24:58.380 --> 00:24:59.380
No, I'm not.

567
00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:00.380
I say 120.

568
00:25:00.380 --> 00:25:01.380
Yeah.

569
00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:02.380
You need to pay someone.

570
00:25:02.380 --> 00:25:06.860
Like if you want somebody who has business acumen, right, and who can say, hey, I want

571
00:25:06.860 --> 00:25:10.500
you to, you know, I want to, I want to make some t-shirts for us and like, can you make

572
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:11.500
some backpacks?

573
00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:14.500
And by the way, can you figure out why the book is not on Amazon Prime?

574
00:25:14.500 --> 00:25:15.500
Like why is it not?

575
00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:16.500
Why don't I have the little prime thing?

576
00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:17.500
Can you just figure that out?

577
00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:22.100
You want somebody who can like, go and just take that directive and just solve it.

578
00:25:22.100 --> 00:25:25.660
Like sometimes that's harder to find.

579
00:25:25.660 --> 00:25:27.180
And for me, I also want to pay for experience.

580
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:32.020
So even if there was two people that were who might have equal ability, I will usually

581
00:25:32.020 --> 00:25:35.940
pay more for the experience because I don't want to have to have this person who's less

582
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:38.540
experienced, learn those lessons on my clock.

583
00:25:38.540 --> 00:25:40.540
I'd rather come with the solutions preloaded.

584
00:25:40.540 --> 00:25:42.940
So that's why I'm willing to pay more.

585
00:25:42.940 --> 00:25:44.700
Do you fly business or do you fly a car?

586
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:45.700
We fly private mostly.

587
00:25:45.700 --> 00:25:46.700
It's been real.

588
00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:47.700
Wow.

589
00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:48.700
That's my economy.

590
00:25:48.700 --> 00:25:49.700
What a joke.

591
00:25:49.700 --> 00:25:55.180
Do you do the Uber Black or Uber, like the fancy ones?

592
00:25:55.180 --> 00:25:56.180
Uber?

593
00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:57.980
Oh, you mean like, we drive cars.

594
00:25:57.980 --> 00:25:58.980
You take the Uber.

595
00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:05.380
I have two people who wait at some of my house that carry me everywhere.

596
00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:06.380
Let's throw.

597
00:26:06.380 --> 00:26:07.380
Yeah.

598
00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:08.380
And share.

599
00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:12.820
It's one of those like, I almost am embarrassed to say, but it's like, there's a handful

600
00:26:12.820 --> 00:26:16.620
of things that are really expensive and I feel like they are worth it.

601
00:26:16.620 --> 00:26:20.740
And I try and spend the money that we have because it's the only way that money has utility

602
00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:24.180
for me rather than just making more money, which then like for what point.

603
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:29.180
So if I have the opportunity to consume benefit for money, I try and use it.

604
00:26:29.180 --> 00:26:34.820
And so the speeding convenience that I get from private versus commercial is pretty significant.

605
00:26:34.820 --> 00:26:36.580
And like short flights are like five grand.

606
00:26:36.580 --> 00:26:37.580
So it's not like, you know what I mean?

607
00:26:37.580 --> 00:26:40.340
And if you're going with somebody else, it's not a huge deal.

608
00:26:40.340 --> 00:26:43.500
You know, the longer flights, if you're going cross country, it's like a $50,000 flight.

609
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:45.980
But you know, it just depends on what you're looking for.

610
00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:49.900
So I would say shorter flights, we tend to fly private longer flights.

611
00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:52.020
I'm also like more weary of small planes.

612
00:26:52.020 --> 00:26:55.860
So I also will just, you know, fly first class on the commercial.

613
00:26:55.860 --> 00:27:02.940
Most of the nation real quick, if you are a business owner that has a big old business

614
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:07.620
and wants to get to a much bigger business, going to $50,000,000 plus, we would love to

615
00:27:07.620 --> 00:27:08.620
talk to you.

616
00:27:08.620 --> 00:27:11.980
And if you like that, and would like to hear more about it, go to acquisition.com and

617
00:27:11.980 --> 00:27:15.980
you can plan anywhere on the page and talk to one of our team and see if we can help you

618
00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:16.980
get there.

619
00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:23.140
Let's talk a little bit more about time management because it seems like you can get a lot

620
00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:26.180
of stuff done in a very small frame of time.

621
00:27:26.180 --> 00:27:28.900
So like, let's, let's walk us through your day.

622
00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:31.300
You mentioned in the last podcast, you wake up extremely early.

623
00:27:31.300 --> 00:27:32.300
Yeah.

624
00:27:32.300 --> 00:27:35.300
And just for the audience, like, it's not because I have like some like superhuman discipline.

625
00:27:35.300 --> 00:27:38.340
I just think, I think I just fall, I get tired early.

626
00:27:38.340 --> 00:27:42.820
So like, if you fall asleep at nine or 10, like you wake up at four or five, like it's

627
00:27:42.820 --> 00:27:48.060
not, it's not like a superhero thing, and it's been seven hours, like, I can wake up

628
00:27:48.060 --> 00:27:49.060
now.

629
00:27:49.060 --> 00:27:50.060
So I'll tell you a couple of things.

630
00:27:50.060 --> 00:27:53.300
So number one is I don't have a wake up alarm.

631
00:27:53.300 --> 00:27:55.980
I have a go to bed alarm, which is like, hey, you should be wanting to know by now.

632
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:58.660
I don't even really need to do it anymore because I've just been doing it for such a

633
00:27:58.660 --> 00:27:59.660
long time.

634
00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:03.500
But when I started it, I wanted to set myself a go to bed alarm, so I got a bed at around

635
00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:04.500
the same time.

636
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:07.100
I usually know what I'm going to do the next day before I go to bed.

637
00:28:07.100 --> 00:28:08.780
That's kind of how I clear my mental plate.

638
00:28:08.780 --> 00:28:11.180
And I do think, in any sense, kind of weird and woo-woo.

639
00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:17.180
But like, I think that overnight, my subconscious works on some of the problems because I always

640
00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:20.400
wake up with like really interesting solutions in the morning to some of the problems I

641
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.400
want to bed with.

642
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.940
And so it just gives me like great momentum to start my day.

643
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:27.740
But when we wake up, my wife and I wake up about the same time, we usually have coffee

644
00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:28.740
in the morning together.

645
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:32.780
That's kind of like our 30 minutes, so just like, hang out, chill, watch the sunrise.

646
00:28:32.780 --> 00:28:34.500
It's usually between four and five.

647
00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:35.500
Wow.

648
00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:39.860
So we hang out then, watch the sun in that time, you know, time horizon that the sun is

649
00:28:39.860 --> 00:28:40.860
coming up.

650
00:28:40.940 --> 00:28:44.260
It's not that we don't watch it, but if we can, we do.

651
00:28:44.260 --> 00:28:49.940
And then from there, I go to my office and I start working.

652
00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:52.020
And she does her own thing.

653
00:28:52.020 --> 00:28:55.260
And then we meet again for lunch.

654
00:28:55.260 --> 00:28:57.620
And then I go back to work.

655
00:28:57.620 --> 00:28:59.140
And then that's my day.

656
00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:01.420
And then you cut it off at a specific hour.

657
00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:02.420
Like four-ish.

658
00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:03.420
Four?

659
00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:04.420
It's not a specific hour.

660
00:29:04.420 --> 00:29:09.540
It's like, you know, if I've got a call, usually my call's end around four-ish.

661
00:29:09.540 --> 00:29:14.580
You work really hard at four to basically switch off like from work mode into like personal

662
00:29:14.580 --> 00:29:16.820
mode where it's just like a light switch or it's still open.

663
00:29:16.820 --> 00:29:19.340
Like if something comes up with work-wise, you're going to handle it.

664
00:29:19.340 --> 00:29:22.060
I'm just trying to say this the right way.

665
00:29:22.060 --> 00:29:25.460
I don't get the same level of stress that I used to from work.

666
00:29:25.460 --> 00:29:30.420
And I feel like I've worked a lot on that side of like not being stressed by work.

667
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:36.820
And I think a big part of that was realizing like last year that I don't have to work.

668
00:29:36.820 --> 00:29:38.100
Like at all, at all.

669
00:29:38.100 --> 00:29:42.540
And so kind of confronting that and then realizing that I'm choosing to do this kind of

670
00:29:42.540 --> 00:29:44.540
or leave me of the stress that was surrounding.

671
00:29:44.540 --> 00:29:48.220
And I'm like, if you don't like this, like basically like stop complaining to yourself.

672
00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:50.460
Like you're choosing to do this and you have no reason.

673
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:52.260
Like there's no point in you doing this.

674
00:29:52.260 --> 00:29:57.260
And so not having the stress around it has decreased any kind of negative stuff associated

675
00:29:57.260 --> 00:29:58.260
with it.

676
00:29:58.260 --> 00:30:00.420
And so, you know, I'll stop taking calls at four.

677
00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:04.300
But if someone slacks me else, like, but I usually don't, I would say I delineate that

678
00:30:04.300 --> 00:30:06.660
from like, I'm not going to sit down at the computer.

679
00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:09.220
But I don't have like hard and fast rules if there's something that I want to do.

680
00:30:09.220 --> 00:30:10.220
I'll do it.

681
00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:11.220
Yeah.

682
00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:13.500
But how do you mentally switch off from work mode at that hour?

683
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.420
Because for me, I find it very difficult.

684
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:21.300
If I'm focusing, I can't take a lunch, let's just say, even when I went wake up, I can't

685
00:30:21.300 --> 00:30:23.700
do just like a 30 minutes, just kind of do nothing.

686
00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:25.060
I have to immediately start.

687
00:30:25.060 --> 00:30:27.340
Once I start, I continue that all day.

688
00:30:27.340 --> 00:30:29.660
If I have a break, it throws me off.

689
00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:33.700
But even when I stop, sometimes I can't, that switch is still on.

690
00:30:33.700 --> 00:30:34.700
So I'm always in my head.

691
00:30:34.700 --> 00:30:35.700
Just like thinking.

692
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:36.820
And you're like, don't talk to me too much.

693
00:30:36.820 --> 00:30:37.820
I really want to keep going.

694
00:30:37.820 --> 00:30:38.820
Yeah.

695
00:30:38.820 --> 00:30:40.660
And sometimes it's like, you know, I won't even have my phone.

696
00:30:40.660 --> 00:30:41.660
I'll just be thinking.

697
00:30:41.660 --> 00:30:43.900
I'll just, just like that quiet space.

698
00:30:43.900 --> 00:30:44.900
Totally.

699
00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:45.900
So I split my day.

700
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:46.900
So I should probably give more detail.

701
00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:51.340
So I split my day between high leverage work, which is like me doing stuff.

702
00:30:51.340 --> 00:30:55.780
And then me communicating with companies, which is usually the afternoon.

703
00:30:55.780 --> 00:31:00.060
So until, you know, noon, so basically, you know, four or five until noon is when I get

704
00:31:00.060 --> 00:31:01.420
all of my work done.

705
00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:05.260
So that's when I, if I want to build presentations or if I make content or if I want

706
00:31:05.260 --> 00:31:09.140
to write the book or, you know, the things that I do that are like one of the companies

707
00:31:09.140 --> 00:31:11.260
wants to, whatever, it doesn't matter.

708
00:31:11.260 --> 00:31:13.780
I'll write down my thoughts or review stuff in the morning.

709
00:31:13.780 --> 00:31:16.740
And then the afternoon is when I do like my communication with people because for me,

710
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:18.380
like, some people function really well late at night.

711
00:31:18.380 --> 00:31:19.380
I don't.

712
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:22.220
I'm much better like super early in the morning.

713
00:31:22.220 --> 00:31:24.860
And that's where I get my highest leverage on my time.

714
00:31:24.860 --> 00:31:28.740
And so in the afternoons, when I don't need that creative juice, I can still be super

715
00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:29.740
effective on meetings.

716
00:31:29.740 --> 00:31:32.860
I just, I'm not thinking like, how do I say this framework differently?

717
00:31:32.860 --> 00:31:35.500
Which is a kind of abstract concept and more difficult.

718
00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:36.500
So I understand what you're saying.

719
00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:40.780
But my cutoff, my cutoff for like when I stop, quote, working is it noon.

720
00:31:40.780 --> 00:31:44.940
It's actually when I have lunch is usually what I'm done with my, what I would consider

721
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:46.980
deep work for the day.

722
00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:49.380
And that's probably just because the difference in the nature of the work.

723
00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:50.380
Okay.

724
00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:54.660
And then after four or five p.m. once you shut everything off work wise or try to, like,

725
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:55.660
how do you spend your time?

726
00:31:55.660 --> 00:31:57.020
Do you just like relax with a mask?

727
00:31:57.020 --> 00:31:58.020
Yeah.

728
00:31:58.020 --> 00:32:02.820
So we actually do go out to dinner a lot, a lot, a lot.

729
00:32:02.820 --> 00:32:03.820
Every night actually.

730
00:32:03.820 --> 00:32:04.820
Every night.

731
00:32:04.820 --> 00:32:05.820
Yeah.

732
00:32:05.820 --> 00:32:06.820
Yeah.

733
00:32:06.820 --> 00:32:07.820
The guy at Masters, like, welcome back.

734
00:32:07.820 --> 00:32:08.820
We see you all the time, like joking around.

735
00:32:08.820 --> 00:32:09.820
Yeah.

736
00:32:09.820 --> 00:32:10.820
Wow.

737
00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:11.820
What's your favorite restaurant?

738
00:32:11.820 --> 00:32:12.820
What are your favorite restaurants and what's your food budget?

739
00:32:12.820 --> 00:32:14.900
Like, I mean, maybe you have no idea.

740
00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:17.660
So we, I mean, it's, it's aggressive.

741
00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:18.660
It's a lot.

742
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:19.660
It's a crutch.

743
00:32:19.660 --> 00:32:20.660
It's a crutch.

744
00:32:20.660 --> 00:32:21.660
What a word.

745
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:22.660
It's a lot.

746
00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:23.660
Different from that.

747
00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:24.660
I like it.

748
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:25.660
Yeah.

749
00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:29.540
I mean, we, a very offensive, but it's aggressive.

750
00:32:29.540 --> 00:32:34.540
Just like realistically, we probably spend between 12 and 15,000 a month on going out

751
00:32:34.540 --> 00:32:35.540
to eat.

752
00:32:35.540 --> 00:32:39.780
Would you say that there's a, like, a return on that because you can relax so much that

753
00:32:39.780 --> 00:32:44.260
you can, like, cycle that back into, like, somewhat embarrassed by this.

754
00:32:44.260 --> 00:32:49.140
But it's, so it was, I think we talked about this last time, is that, like, again, like,

755
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:51.500
if you could pay a dollar to go out, would you go out?

756
00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:52.500
Right.

757
00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.740
So yeah, I would pay a dollar to go to Masters every night rather than staying in.

758
00:32:55.740 --> 00:33:00.060
And so for us, because we work all day at home, like, going out to get dinner is, like,

759
00:33:00.060 --> 00:33:02.340
the only real time I leave besides going to the gym.

760
00:33:02.340 --> 00:33:06.500
And so, like, that's kind of why, like, going out to eat has served multiple purposes,

761
00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:07.500
not just the food.

762
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:12.060
It's much more so, like, we sit down, we get to connect, we, you know, we're served,

763
00:33:12.060 --> 00:33:13.060
which is nice.

764
00:33:13.060 --> 00:33:14.540
It doesn't have to be five star.

765
00:33:14.540 --> 00:33:17.020
I would say, like, two thirds of the time, it's five star restaurants.

766
00:33:17.020 --> 00:33:20.540
And I think a big portion of that is because of the convenience of where I live.

767
00:33:20.540 --> 00:33:22.900
So currently, I'm running a place that's literally on the strip.

768
00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:26.140
And so, like, I have 45 star restaurants, like, connected to the building.

769
00:33:26.140 --> 00:33:29.380
So it's just, it's, like, if there were to politely announce theirs, I'd probably

770
00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:32.660
mortgage politely, but it just so happens that it's Masters as the closest restaurant

771
00:33:32.660 --> 00:33:33.660
to me.

772
00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:34.660
So I go there a lot.

773
00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:38.060
So, like, massive difference in price, but relative price, not so much.

774
00:33:38.060 --> 00:33:40.860
Pretty much since we got to Vegas, we've gone out to dinner, not pretty much.

775
00:33:40.860 --> 00:33:41.860
We've gone out every single night.

776
00:33:41.860 --> 00:33:42.860
We've never cooked once.

777
00:33:42.860 --> 00:33:45.620
So, in terms of best places, I think Delilah is really good.

778
00:33:45.620 --> 00:33:47.780
I think they have the best dessert in Vegas.

779
00:33:47.780 --> 00:33:49.100
Everyone's curious.

780
00:33:49.100 --> 00:33:50.100
Delilah is exceptional.

781
00:33:50.100 --> 00:33:51.740
Man, there's so many of them are really good.

782
00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.820
Because they're all the best places in Vegas and Vegas is some of the best dining in

783
00:33:55.820 --> 00:33:56.820
the world.

784
00:33:56.820 --> 00:33:57.820
It's just, it's crazy.

785
00:33:57.820 --> 00:34:03.060
But I will tell you this, the marginal utility of five star dining decreases very quickly.

786
00:34:03.060 --> 00:34:05.820
Like, at the same, like, you open the menu and it's the same stuff.

787
00:34:05.820 --> 00:34:09.180
It's like, you've got a carpaccio, you've got a, you know, steak tartare, you've got a

788
00:34:09.180 --> 00:34:13.340
tuna tartare, you've got, you know, some shrimp cocktail of some sort.

789
00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:17.260
There's some fancier bread selection that you can opt for for five dollars, and you've

790
00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:18.260
got a couple salads.

791
00:34:18.260 --> 00:34:22.180
And then, you know, they've got their really expensive steaks, their medium expensive steaks,

792
00:34:22.180 --> 00:34:24.700
and then they've got the seafood selection, they've a chain sea bass.

793
00:34:24.700 --> 00:34:25.700
Like, they're all the same.

794
00:34:25.700 --> 00:34:27.260
But you don't look at prices at all.

795
00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:28.260
No.

796
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:29.260
No.

797
00:34:29.260 --> 00:34:30.260
I don't.

798
00:34:30.260 --> 00:34:32.260
And you seem like you'd be a big tipper.

799
00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:33.260
Yeah.

800
00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:34.260
You're a big tipper.

801
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:35.260
Yeah.

802
00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:37.700
Because it's interesting after a podcast last time, unfortunately, we talked about this

803
00:34:37.700 --> 00:34:42.300
off camera, but you mentioned that you want to get rid of all of your money, like when

804
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:44.860
you die, you're not going to pass it on to your kids or anything.

805
00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:45.860
Yeah.

806
00:34:45.860 --> 00:34:47.100
There's a pledge or something for that.

807
00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:51.420
Well, I mean, there's the giving pledge, but, you know, we already donated our, like,

808
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:53.940
our states have already been set up to be given away.

809
00:34:53.940 --> 00:34:56.820
I haven't signed any pledges for it, but yeah.

810
00:34:56.820 --> 00:35:01.660
And it's, I mean, whoa, I guess we're going to get into it.

811
00:35:01.660 --> 00:35:06.220
So, I'll tell you a really interesting example that'll drive this home.

812
00:35:06.220 --> 00:35:08.060
This is like, this is recent.

813
00:35:08.060 --> 00:35:17.060
So my great, great grandfather, he was a ruler in Iran prior to the Shah.

814
00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:20.700
And so we were like, I'm directly descendant from him.

815
00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:21.700
Now, that sounds fancy.

816
00:35:21.700 --> 00:35:24.100
It doesn't mean anything, which is going to prove my point.

817
00:35:24.100 --> 00:35:28.740
He had 400 children from those 400 children was my great grandfather.

818
00:35:28.740 --> 00:35:30.540
He was one of 19.

819
00:35:30.540 --> 00:35:35.020
Then there was my grandfather, then there's my dad, and then there's me, right?

820
00:35:35.020 --> 00:35:37.580
And so he was a ruler of a country.

821
00:35:37.580 --> 00:35:40.220
So you talk about like wealth and status and everything, right?

822
00:35:40.220 --> 00:35:42.500
I actually can't even remember his name.

823
00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:44.940
And so that's just five generations.

824
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:48.260
So the idea that we have of like, I want to like create a legacy.

825
00:35:48.260 --> 00:35:50.660
It's like, dude, you're not making a legacy.

826
00:35:50.660 --> 00:35:52.820
He was ruler of a country.

827
00:35:52.820 --> 00:35:55.820
I can't even remember his name when I'm related to him, right?

828
00:35:55.820 --> 00:36:00.300
And so if you do that enough times, it just becomes humans, right?

829
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:03.820
Like the difference, and that becomes a very humanitarian perspective too,

830
00:36:03.820 --> 00:36:07.580
because if you mix bloodlines enough times, it's just people, right?

831
00:36:07.580 --> 00:36:10.340
And you take your genes, split them, split them, split them, split them.

832
00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:14.700
You do it 10 times, you know, half to the 10th power is very, very small number, right?

833
00:36:14.700 --> 00:36:18.620
In terms of what percentage of it is still you if you still have like pride in your biology

834
00:36:18.620 --> 00:36:23.500
being passed on, which also gets into like having children versus not having children,

835
00:36:23.500 --> 00:36:25.980
because then that's a whole nother, like interesting kind of worms.

836
00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:32.240
But as a result of that kind of thought process, the point of leaving a legacy in like capital

837
00:36:32.240 --> 00:36:37.420
L legacy of like, this is going to last past me doesn't really make sense, because the

838
00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:40.500
people who I'm leaving it to will never know who I am.

839
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:43.620
And it will get divided so many times as well, between all of those people who would have

840
00:36:43.620 --> 00:36:47.020
to be such an insane amount of money, which then would become a marginal amount of money

841
00:36:47.020 --> 00:36:48.780
once it's divided enough times.

842
00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:53.020
So for both of those reasons, it wouldn't work, but then on the on the close-knit basis

843
00:36:53.020 --> 00:36:56.020
of like, well, I want to pass it on to my direct descendants.

844
00:36:56.020 --> 00:37:01.180
I just don't know many people who've been given lots of money who are better for it.

845
00:37:01.180 --> 00:37:06.460
And so for that reason, it doesn't seem very beneficial to anything to give it to anyone

846
00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:08.540
besides just giving it back to everybody else.

847
00:37:08.540 --> 00:37:12.420
And it's also kind of nice because it kind of relieves you of this pressure, because then

848
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:16.620
it's just realizing it for what it is, which is it's just a game, like what we're playing

849
00:37:16.620 --> 00:37:17.620
right now.

850
00:37:17.620 --> 00:37:19.620
It's just a made up game to keep us occupied.

851
00:37:19.620 --> 00:37:23.660
And so these are just the, I mean, I gave the casino analogy at the end of the last

852
00:37:23.660 --> 00:37:25.540
podcast, but that is how I see it.

853
00:37:25.540 --> 00:37:30.060
It's like, we're just accumulating chips, their fake, and I can't take them with me.

854
00:37:30.060 --> 00:37:32.540
So I'm just pushing them back to the middle of the table, which is what they're going

855
00:37:32.540 --> 00:37:33.540
to be done anyways.

856
00:37:33.540 --> 00:37:37.700
It's just whether you say like, they're only going to these players rather than all

857
00:37:37.700 --> 00:37:41.740
the players, but like fast forward three more generations, it is all the players and

858
00:37:41.740 --> 00:37:43.220
you don't know the people anyways.

859
00:37:43.220 --> 00:37:44.220
Yeah.

860
00:37:44.220 --> 00:37:45.220
So like, what does it really matter?

861
00:37:45.220 --> 00:37:46.220
Do you want kids?

862
00:37:46.220 --> 00:37:51.220
You mentioned, you mentioned, you know, the time commitments of a dog.

863
00:37:51.220 --> 00:37:52.220
Yeah.

864
00:37:52.220 --> 00:37:53.220
Yeah.

865
00:37:53.220 --> 00:37:54.220
Like, well, you know, it's too much.

866
00:37:54.220 --> 00:37:55.220
I can't imagine it.

867
00:37:55.220 --> 00:37:56.220
A child.

868
00:37:56.220 --> 00:37:57.220
Yeah.

869
00:37:57.220 --> 00:37:58.220
Yeah.

870
00:37:58.220 --> 00:38:01.540
I think I would probably have different feelings about a child than I would about a dog.

871
00:38:01.540 --> 00:38:04.940
And just so the audience can dislike me, so this is my gift for everybody.

872
00:38:04.940 --> 00:38:09.220
We had a dog and it just, it just points to the bathroom like eight or ten times a day.

873
00:38:09.220 --> 00:38:11.220
And it was too much.

874
00:38:11.220 --> 00:38:12.220
It's like, it's too much.

875
00:38:12.220 --> 00:38:13.220
It's like, it's too much.

876
00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:14.220
It's like, it's too much.

877
00:38:14.220 --> 00:38:15.220
I could have somebody.

878
00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:16.220
Did you care for the dog?

879
00:38:16.220 --> 00:38:17.220
Oh, yeah.

880
00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:18.220
I mean, I actually really like animals.

881
00:38:18.220 --> 00:38:19.220
And actually, animals really like me.

882
00:38:19.220 --> 00:38:20.220
Yeah.

883
00:38:20.220 --> 00:38:21.220
It's kind of weird.

884
00:38:21.220 --> 00:38:22.220
It's really crazy when you get in that house.

885
00:38:22.220 --> 00:38:25.220
But like, it's like, Layla's like, you have calming energy or whatever.

886
00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:29.060
I mean, I don't know, but like animals do like me and I like them back.

887
00:38:29.060 --> 00:38:30.060
Like, we're cool.

888
00:38:30.060 --> 00:38:31.660
Like, we get, we get along.

889
00:38:31.660 --> 00:38:34.420
Maybe it's because they know that I'm like, I don't, I don't need them.

890
00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:38.420
You know, I'm like, I was like, we just, you're an animal.

891
00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:40.420
I'm an animal.

892
00:38:40.420 --> 00:38:41.420
We're both just like doing our own thing.

893
00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:42.420
Like, I don't need to take care of you.

894
00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:43.420
You can do it yourself.

895
00:38:43.420 --> 00:38:45.420
I love the cat I had.

896
00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:47.420
We had a cat and died after two years.

897
00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:48.420
But cats were way easier.

898
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:50.420
So dogs versus cats, like, I like the cat.

899
00:38:50.420 --> 00:38:52.420
Goldfish would work, you know, whatever.

900
00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:54.420
But anyways, back to the kid thing.

901
00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:58.420
It's something I give a ton of, I've given a ton of thought to.

902
00:38:58.420 --> 00:39:02.420
The pros for me of having a child are the human experience,

903
00:39:02.420 --> 00:39:05.420
which is just like, this is a part of the human experience that is unique.

904
00:39:05.420 --> 00:39:08.420
And I think that would be interesting to go through.

905
00:39:08.420 --> 00:39:11.420
That being said, going to prison is also a part of the human experience.

906
00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:13.420
It doesn't necessarily mean that I should do it.

907
00:39:13.420 --> 00:39:17.420
Sometimes people are like, I think you and Layla would make great parents.

908
00:39:17.420 --> 00:39:21.420
And I'll say this, and I say this not as a pejorative statement to parenting in general.

909
00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:24.420
But I'm using an extreme example to illustrate a point,

910
00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:28.420
which is like, I could be, and this is not disrespectful to people who may have this job.

911
00:39:28.420 --> 00:39:31.420
Man, culture these days.

912
00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:34.420
I could also probably be a really good gas station attendant.

913
00:39:34.420 --> 00:39:35.420
Right.

914
00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:36.420
I could probably be really exceptional with that.

915
00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:37.420
It doesn't mean that I should do it.

916
00:39:37.420 --> 00:39:40.420
And so just because I might be an exceptional parent, it doesn't mean I should.

917
00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:45.420
And like in the cons column, there's a tremendous amount of risk personally

918
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:48.420
that the person doesn't want to do what I want them to do.

919
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:49.420
Right.

920
00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:52.420
And so the fact that I still have this desire that I'm projecting on an unborn child

921
00:39:52.420 --> 00:39:54.420
is something that I'm not very comfortable with.

922
00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:57.420
Because like, if I had one, I would have a hard time saying that I want them to be their own person.

923
00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:59.420
I'd want them to be who I want them to be.

924
00:39:59.420 --> 00:40:01.420
And so maybe that is the learning of becoming a parent.

925
00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:05.420
Is that you unlearn the expectations of projections that you have on the child.

926
00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:09.420
But in terms of like my personal like fulfillment component,

927
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:11.420
I mean, I'm very obviously very torn about it.

928
00:40:11.420 --> 00:40:16.420
But there's so many guys that I've, that I've like mentored that have taken steps toward me.

929
00:40:16.420 --> 00:40:17.420
And like, please help me with business.

930
00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:19.420
Please help me in these ways.

931
00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:22.420
And I'm happy to.

932
00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:25.420
And you know, if I had to trade off, I think we're talking about dinners last night.

933
00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.420
But like, the amount of time that a child takes, right.

934
00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:32.420
Let's say it's, I don't know, four hours a day, roughly,

935
00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:34.420
in terms of like headspace and time spent with.

936
00:40:34.420 --> 00:40:38.420
I was trying to be really aggressive with four.

937
00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:39.420
I'm being real honest.

938
00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:42.420
I was genuinely being really aggressive with four.

939
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:45.420
I would imagine a child would be like,

940
00:40:45.420 --> 00:40:46.420
I mean, I'm going to pay help.

941
00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:48.420
There's going to be help for sure.

942
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:50.420
And it's like helping the house.

943
00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:52.420
Let's say eight.

944
00:40:52.420 --> 00:40:53.420
Let's say eight hours.

945
00:40:53.420 --> 00:40:54.420
Okay.

946
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:55.420
So eight hours a day.

947
00:40:55.420 --> 00:40:58.420
So full-time job, right, for the next 20 years.

948
00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:00.420
If I had a full-time job in the next 20 years,

949
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:05.420
I could help 100,000 or a million people more than I could just two

950
00:41:05.420 --> 00:41:07.420
that just so happened to share my genetics

951
00:41:07.420 --> 00:41:09.420
that eventually would get diluted out to nothing.

952
00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.420
Is that how you base your decisions?

953
00:41:10.420 --> 00:41:14.420
I mean, off how many people you could get help based on.

954
00:41:14.420 --> 00:41:15.420
Yeah.

955
00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:16.420
Really?

956
00:41:16.420 --> 00:41:17.420
Yeah.

957
00:41:17.420 --> 00:41:18.420
I mean, that's why.

958
00:41:18.420 --> 00:41:22.420
Like, a lot of people want to have kids to give meaning to their lives, right.

959
00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:24.420
And as a core layer to this,

960
00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:26.420
whenever I see a lot of people doing something,

961
00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:28.420
I don't think, oh, that's a great idea.

962
00:41:28.420 --> 00:41:31.420
I think, oh, that's a great path to mediocrity.

963
00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:33.420
And again, that's going to solve most people

964
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:34.420
because most people do it.

965
00:41:34.420 --> 00:41:36.420
So this again, it doesn't have to just apply to children.

966
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:38.420
You can think about it for everything, which is like,

967
00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:41.420
if you're trying to not be in the majority

968
00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:43.420
because you don't want to be average,

969
00:41:43.420 --> 00:41:45.420
then it means that you have to, by definition,

970
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:47.420
not do what everyone else is doing.

971
00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:49.420
And so when people are like, I'm taking this action

972
00:41:49.420 --> 00:41:53.420
to have children, I would assume that it's probably selfish

973
00:41:53.420 --> 00:41:56.420
because you can always count on people to be selfish.

974
00:41:56.420 --> 00:41:59.420
It's not like humans only in this one instance are selfless, right.

975
00:41:59.420 --> 00:42:01.420
They're selfish because they want to look at it and be like,

976
00:42:01.420 --> 00:42:02.420
it looks just like me.

977
00:42:02.420 --> 00:42:03.420
That's why I love it.

978
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:04.420
You're just like me, right?

979
00:42:04.420 --> 00:42:05.420
I love you.

980
00:42:05.420 --> 00:42:06.420
I love me.

981
00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:07.420
Right?

982
00:42:07.420 --> 00:42:08.420
And like, I'm aware of that, right?

983
00:42:08.420 --> 00:42:10.420
And so that's why I'm like, I try and audit.

984
00:42:10.420 --> 00:42:13.420
Do I want to have kids just because I want to look at a version of myself?

985
00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:14.420
You know what I mean?

986
00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:16.420
But then I'm also going to project on this kid's life

987
00:42:16.420 --> 00:42:18.420
when he might want to be a ballet dancer or whatever.

988
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:21.420
I'm not saying wrong thing about a dancer, but if I'm going to spend eight hours,

989
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:24.420
it's just like, I don't feel like I'm providing a lot of value.

990
00:42:24.420 --> 00:42:25.420
You know what I mean?

991
00:42:25.420 --> 00:42:26.420
And like in terms of...

992
00:42:26.420 --> 00:42:28.420
But it sounds like you're thinking of it from an ROI perspective.

993
00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:29.420
Don't know.

994
00:42:29.420 --> 00:42:32.420
Invest all this and I might not get a good ROI compared to the guaranteed ROI

995
00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:34.420
I could get eight hours in there over here.

996
00:42:34.420 --> 00:42:35.420
Of helping other people.

997
00:42:35.420 --> 00:42:36.420
Yeah.

998
00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:37.420
Yeah.

999
00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:40.420
And it's really ROI of like the world more so than me, particularly.

1000
00:42:40.420 --> 00:42:42.420
There was a brief moment where I like had an injury

1001
00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:44.420
where I thought I was able to have kids.

1002
00:42:44.420 --> 00:42:45.420
It might not turn black.

1003
00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:47.420
And I was like, oh, it's fine.

1004
00:42:47.420 --> 00:42:49.420
But I was like, very worried.

1005
00:42:49.420 --> 00:42:51.420
And so it was really interesting.

1006
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:53.420
Is that during that period of time, before I got it looked at,

1007
00:42:53.420 --> 00:42:55.420
I just was like, I'm not going to be able to have kids.

1008
00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:56.420
Like that's it, right?

1009
00:42:56.420 --> 00:42:57.420
I'm screwed.

1010
00:42:57.420 --> 00:43:01.420
And what was weird is that I ended up becoming almost...

1011
00:43:01.420 --> 00:43:04.420
I became so humanitarian in general, like during that...

1012
00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:07.420
It was like the desire to pro-generate,

1013
00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:11.420
went from being specific to a child to general to everyone.

1014
00:43:11.420 --> 00:43:13.420
Because like when you realize you can't have a child,

1015
00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:15.420
then you want to still pass it on.

1016
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:17.420
And I think that's just like a human desire,

1017
00:43:17.420 --> 00:43:19.420
right, of benefiting the tribe, whatever.

1018
00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:21.420
But like you still had this desire,

1019
00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:23.420
and rather than being able to get my fulfillment

1020
00:43:23.420 --> 00:43:25.420
out of one child doing that for me,

1021
00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:27.420
it's like I was forced to just be like,

1022
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:29.420
well, I have to just give to everybody.

1023
00:43:29.420 --> 00:43:30.420
And so I think that was...

1024
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:32.420
That was actually a really transformative experience for me.

1025
00:43:32.420 --> 00:43:35.420
And I think it's part of what has shaped a lot of, like,

1026
00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:38.420
the thoughts around giving today in general.

1027
00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:41.420
I'm a little confused and curious.

1028
00:43:41.420 --> 00:43:43.420
Not saying this is wrong or anything.

1029
00:43:43.420 --> 00:43:45.420
In fact, I admire this.

1030
00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:47.420
But why is, like, the thing that you hold to the most weight

1031
00:43:47.420 --> 00:43:49.420
when you're making decisions,

1032
00:43:49.420 --> 00:43:51.420
how many people you can help?

1033
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:53.420
That could be selfish in and of itself.

1034
00:43:53.420 --> 00:43:55.420
Probably.

1035
00:43:55.420 --> 00:43:57.420
What do you think selfish is bad?

1036
00:43:57.420 --> 00:44:01.420
I like to believe that most people generally want things

1037
00:44:01.420 --> 00:44:03.420
that are good for everyone.

1038
00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:05.420
So if they pander to what they want themselves,

1039
00:44:05.420 --> 00:44:07.420
they're generally helping other people.

1040
00:44:07.420 --> 00:44:09.420
I'd agree with that.

1041
00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:10.420
But do you think being selfish is bad?

1042
00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:11.420
Sometimes.

1043
00:44:11.420 --> 00:44:13.420
I think if it hurts somebody else,

1044
00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:15.420
then yes.

1045
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:20.420
I think if it being selfish is at the detriment of somebody else,

1046
00:44:20.420 --> 00:44:23.420
or if the net is bad for more people,

1047
00:44:23.420 --> 00:44:26.420
if it hurts more people, then it serves you.

1048
00:44:26.420 --> 00:44:28.420
You also have to define, you know,

1049
00:44:28.420 --> 00:44:29.420
I know.

1050
00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:30.420
Well, then you can't.

1051
00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:31.420
You can't be that bad.

1052
00:44:31.420 --> 00:44:32.420
You don't have to define bad.

1053
00:44:32.420 --> 00:44:34.420
It becomes a circular argument of...

1054
00:44:34.420 --> 00:44:35.420
It's not about being selfish.

1055
00:44:35.420 --> 00:44:37.420
It's just hurting people is bad.

1056
00:44:37.420 --> 00:44:38.420
Yes.

1057
00:44:38.420 --> 00:44:40.420
The thing which is irrelevant from the self is actually.

1058
00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:41.420
Right.

1059
00:44:41.420 --> 00:44:42.420
Right.

1060
00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:43.420
And then sure.

1061
00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:44.420
I think everyone, you know, many people would.

1062
00:44:44.420 --> 00:44:46.420
And that's bad in the little B sense rather than the big B sense,

1063
00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:47.420
it's like the universe.

1064
00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:48.420
Yeah.

1065
00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:49.420
So anyways.

1066
00:44:49.420 --> 00:44:52.420
But all that to say, I think people act in their own self interest.

1067
00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:55.420
And that is in the comma, that's fine.

1068
00:44:55.420 --> 00:44:56.420
And we can expect them to do that.

1069
00:44:56.420 --> 00:44:59.420
And I act in my own self interest as well.

1070
00:44:59.420 --> 00:45:02.420
And you're just naturally interested in helping people?

1071
00:45:02.420 --> 00:45:05.420
I think I get some level of like fulfillment from it.

1072
00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:06.420
I do.

1073
00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:09.420
I mean, that's why the books 99 cents, the courses are free.

1074
00:45:09.420 --> 00:45:13.420
And I plan on writing a bunch more books.

1075
00:45:13.420 --> 00:45:14.420
It's selfish.

1076
00:45:14.420 --> 00:45:16.420
I think I feel good when I do it.

1077
00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:17.420
So I do more of it.