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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints, and impact our culture. Hey you guys, here's the deal.

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We're gonna be discussing a post Christmas analysis of who's Jesus after his

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birth. What does that mean for him to become flesh and live among us? How long did he

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live in those 33 and a quarter years of his life by achieving what? Who is he? Now

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that he's born into this world and we just celebrate a Christmas. What's up?

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We're gonna find out right now.

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You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to Jackhibbs.com slash podcast.

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Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled

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life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us,

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that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen.

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Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jackhibbs.

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Hey everybody, welcome to this edition of our podcast together, the Jackhibbs podcast.

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If this is, if this, the greatest thing that you can do, in fact, I'm gonna ask you,

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you did not get me a Christmas gift, I noticed. So you can still, you can still make it up.

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Here's how you could tell people about this podcast. You can copy the link and send it to other

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people. The best thing that you could do for me and the team is to spread the word and get

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our efforts out there. That's the greatest compliment. That's the greatest blessing.

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Think about it. It makes everything that we're doing worthwhile because of reach.

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Reach is somewhat of a modern term when it comes to ministry, but let me put it into

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you this way. A reach matters. George Whitfield preached in Boston. And when he preached,

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Ben Franklin said that Whitfield was able to speak without a microphone, mind you,

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to over 30,000 people. That was his reach. And so we want to reach millions of people

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on our podcast, but we need your help to do that. And it's, the content I trust is stimulating

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and applicable and relevant because it's biblical. Okay, very, very important. So today in

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the New Year, happy New Year to you. Holy, I like that. I tell my friends and everybody,

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holy New Year to you. I don't really care about it being a happy New Year.

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I think God cares about it being a holy New Year. And so may you have a holy New Year,

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and I base that on Galatians. I base that, sure, Galatians. But I base that on Psalm 65 verse 11,

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where God says there to your New Year that he'll bless your New Year with his direction,

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with his path. And he will supply for you in abundance for you this year as you walk with him.

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Psalm 65 11, it's a great, great New Year's blessing to people. So let's do this. We just came out

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of Christmas, right? And we did Christmas sermons. We did Christmas parties. We did Christmas family.

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We did Christmas. We did Christmas in, you know, radio or news interviews. Christmas, Christmas,

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Christmas, and it is awesome. But almost in every, if not all of those interviews and or sermons

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or statements, we made mention of the fact that Christmas is something that for the believer is

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every single day. And that's not some little cute thing that we're supposed to say. It's a

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theological reality. Why? Why is that a theological reality? What do we mean by his believers? You

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know, it's for us, it's we celebrate Christ every day. We celebrate his birth into the world. We

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celebrate his life. We celebrate his coming to the temple in Palm Sunday. We celebrate

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good Friday. We celebrate resurrection Sunday. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Because every moment of

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it all is a sense that it is Christmas daily, meaning the gift was given daily. That's how we take

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that as believers. So coming out of Christmas, which was all about God being born in a, a manger

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or laid in a manger, born in Bethlehem, laid in a manger. We, you know, we got the Christmas

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cards. We heard the sermons. We saw the verses. But what, what was the depth to what was really

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going on? And today, I think we'll have some some time together on this one. So if you're a

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note-taker, I'm going to ask you to to write this down. In fact, I'm going to, I'm going to read

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and please forgive me. I'm having trouble with my eyes. I'm healthy. I'm fine. Don't thank you

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for your concern. But here in Southern California, it's our winters are so dry that it's painful.

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And my eyes don't do well. My eyes were built for Hawaiian humidity or Florida. So when it's very

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dry, our humidity is nasty. It affects my eyes terribly. So I have to use these right now.

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So pray for us that we might get rain, right? So listen to this. We're going to be talking about

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the Jesus after Christmas. How about that? Who was the, who was Jesus

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after he was born? What are we talking about? In fact, there's there even a separation

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between the Christ who was and then the Christ who was born and then the Christ who died and then

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the Christ who rose again from the dead. This is a pretty, pretty heavy topic, if you think about

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it. So this is no, no light weight journey through some theology. But I do understand what I'm

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going to talk about will be very controversial to some of you because you've never thought about

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some of the things that we're going to think about. And yet they are literally

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freshman year seminary issues and topics that every theologian, every pastor, I hope, has to get

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over before they go on into deeper things. For some of you, this might be radical stuff and it

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shouldn't be. So let's dive into this. If you have a Bible, turn in your Bible to Luke chapter 2,

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and it's beginning at verse 42, Luke chapter 2, verse 42. And at the top of your notes,

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right down, Kenosis, K-E-N-O-S-I-S, Kenosis, the doctrine of Kenosis. You should, Pastor,

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I've never heard of that. I understand that. Just write it down. It's, it's Bible.

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So the doctrine of Kenosis is Christ, physical, spiritual, existence on earth.

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Okay? So here we go. Luke chapter 2, verse 42. And when he was 12 years old,

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they went up to Jerusalem according to the customs of the feast. And when they had finished the

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days as they returned. So now they're heading from Jerusalem. They're going to be heading back

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up north into Nazareth. So when they had finished the days as they return, the boy Jesus, I love that,

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lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and his mother did not know it. That's not a shock

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because they traveled in a family pack. They traveled in a big, big family congregation.

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So we were talking about many, many hundreds of people, if not more, leaving Jerusalem and

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heading back up to Northern Galilee, all the while thinking, Joseph and Mary are thinking.

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I haven't seen Jesus in a while. That's cool. We're just one big family. He's probably been

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hanging out with his cousins. He's probably been hanging out with friends. And all as well,

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not a problem. They're not, they're not, you don't have to call CPA on Joseph and Mary.

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This is a family migration back home. And it is a huge family. It's a Middle Eastern family.

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It's loud. It's lively. And it's large. Hey, I just made that out. I made that up live,

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loud. What did I say? Large, loud, lively. Imagine being in that group. That's what's happening.

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Put your, put your sandals on. That's where you're at. Verse 44. But supposing him to have been with

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the company, they went a day's journey. Wow. And sought him among their relatives and acquaintances.

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So when they did not find him, can you imagine the fear they lost God's son?

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They returned back to Jerusalem, seeking him. Now, so it was that after three days, isn't that

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something three days? They found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, all of

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these were adults, and listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard him were

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astonished at his understanding and answers. I'll describe that more in a moment because many people

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at that come to the wrong conclusion. Many people think at that that he understood and he asked

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them questions that he was somehow some sort of savant or none other than perfect God in all of his

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knowledge at all times because he's God the son. I understand your assumption and you would most

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likely be right on. If not for the doctrine of Kenosis, I'll explain in this podcast.

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So when they saw him, they were amazed and his mother said to him, son, why have you done this to

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us? Look, your father and I sought you anxiously and Jesus said to them, why did you seek me? Did

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you not know that I must be about my father's business? But they did not understand his statement,

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which he spoke to them. Then he went down and and then and sorry, then he went down with them and

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came to Nazareth and was subject to them. That's fascinating. But his mother kept all these things in

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her heart and Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and men.

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Kenosis, what is going on here? This is a great topic to kick off the New Year after celebrating

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Christmas. So the word Kenosis in in Greek speaking of Jesus is this that Kenosis is that Jesus Christ,

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the second person of the triune Godhead, you say, what do you get that from? Genesis 11, in the

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beginning God, Elohim. That's the introduction of the triunity of God. Genesis 11, God Elohim is God

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Elohim is a singular plurality. There's one God Israel, right? The Bible says here,

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here, oh Israel, there's the Lord is one. He's one. But Genesis 11 introduces us to the plurality

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of his singleness. There's one God that manifests himself in three individually sovereign individuals,

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all co-eternal, co-equal in perfect harmony that God is made up of the triunity. And if you take

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the Holy Spirit out of that triunity, he's still perfectly the Holy Spirit. He's perfectly holy,

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perfectly omniscient, perfectly all omnipotent, perfectly omnie in all areas. The Holy Spirit

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same as true about Jesus over here, same as true about the Father. One is not above the other.

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Remember this. This is keep this is Bible doctrine. This is the divinity of the nature of God.

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God, the Father is not bigger and smarter and stronger than the Son. And the Son is not

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bigger and stronger than the Spirit. They are literally identical. You see, that's mysterious.

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Yes, it is, isn't it? Absolutely it is. And so check this out. What in the world is going on in

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Luke's gospel chapter 2? What and who is Jesus after he's born? Well, the Lord is the same

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yesterday today and forever. God never changes. So what are we talking about? And this is the

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crux of his incarnation. It's the crux of Christmas. It's the crux of the gospel. For you and I,

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it's the crux to everything and it's this. When God came into the world, he came. The Son of God

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came and he at the moment of conception, friends, listen, at the moment of conception. Now in Mary's

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situation, the Holy Spirit spoke logos, which is cool. Remember the angel Gabriel announced that

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the Holy Spirit will overshadow you. The Spirit of God would have spoken the, can I put it to

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you this way. The Holy Spirit would have spoken the logos, the teleonomic, the teleos. He would have

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spoken, can I use this term? You'll recognize it immediately. The Holy Spirit spoke the telemetry,

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information communicated into Mary and her womb. The Holy Spirit, God the Father, the logos of

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God, logos, the communicated wisdom and knowledge of God. Jesus is the logos. The word of God was

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communicated and in Mary, the conception took place where the word was spoken and the word literally

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ordained conception using the human existence of Mary and her egg was fertilized by the word spoken.

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This is so basic and yet it's so fascinating. It's deep. Of course, it's deep. Mary is now pregnant.

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That's why we argue as evangelical fundamentalists that a woman is pregnant at the moment of

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conception. Thus the life is viable. The life is important. The life must not be extinguished.

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Did you know biologically both in chemistry, biology, both in physics, I'm talking about worldly

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knowledge, was Mary more pregnant at three months than she was at the second she was pregnant?

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Was Mary more pregnant at seven months of pregnancy or was Mary most pregnant at nine months?

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What's your scientific answer to that? That's right. You're only pregnant once and you're pregnant

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for nine months unless there's a miscarriage or an abortion. The moment conception takes place,

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Mary's pregnant and she doesn't get more pregnant. She just gets more bigger. Why? All the stuff that's

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happening in her womb is just the exact same information that is communicated in the human genome

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and the DNA is that at the moment of conception, the engineered information, there's no more

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information added after pregnancy. Is that awesome? This is true both for Jesus and it was true for

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you and it was true for me at the moment of our conception and it's true today if you're pregnant.

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It's fascinating. In that nanosecond of moments where fertilization takes place,

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all the information is there in an instant that is greater than the information that is provided

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by the Hubble telescope and the web telescope observing the entire interstellar

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multi-universes. There's more information in the human DNA than all of space observed

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and that's what happened with Jesus. That's what happened with you. Why? What's going on? God

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is becoming flesh for us. He's taking on human nature. He's taking on human skin, human bone.

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He's taking on human psyche. He's taking on human frailty. He's taking on human limitations. He's

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taking on all that you and I are as our Savior and our Redeemer. All of a sudden,

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some of you need to hear this. Your life's drama in situation is not outside the feelings of Jesus

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Christ. We can't explain this. We just know it's true. Bible says so. That at all points,

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Christ was tempted like us, yet he did not send. He felt when the temptation comes to you,

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the temptations came to him. He fought them though with the word of God and he fought them perfectly

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because even though he was 100% human, he did not have a fallen nature. He had the nature of

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God because he's God, but he had 100% human existence, yet without sin. Even to the point where

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temptation hit Jesus, just like it hits us, but what he would do is he would fight off the temptation

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using the word of God. Do you remember when Jesus meets up with Satan and the Judean wilderness?

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How did Jesus deal with Satan? I know what I would have done if I were him. I would have went,

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I would have went like this. This would have been the best. Just Satan, boom. Jesus didn't do that.

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What did Jesus do? He used the Bible, quoted the, quoted, deuteronomy every time at Satan. By

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the way, did you know Jesus quoted deuteronomy more than any other book of the Bible? Deuteronomy.

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Jesus fought evil with the word of God. That's what we're supposed to do now that we're born again.

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So we fight. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 10, bring every thought under the captivity of Christ

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under the subjection of God of Christ, right? That's what we're supposed to do. When we fail to do

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that, that's when we sin. To be tempted is not a sin. To entertain the temptation is now where

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we cross the line and we sin. And we do that because we have a sin nature. Jesus did not have a

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sin nature and that's part of the great kinosus. We see Jack, what is kinosus? Here we go.

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Kinosus is that the moment Christ was conceived, the moment Jesus, the son of David,

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in his genealogical DNA through Mary was conceived. Jesus, his mission was he laid aside

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his power. Watch me. He didn't stop becoming God. I was talking to a Muslim. He said, I can't

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believe that Jesus is God. That's so stupid. Because if Jesus is God, then when he died, God died

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and the whole world would have blown up. But see, that's Muslim doctrine. Muslim dude, Islam does not

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have Jesus dying on the cross. Did you know that? To Islam, Jesus never died. He was a great prophet.

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In fact, Islam teaches that the Jews and the Christians fought. Jesus had been crucified.

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There was a switcher rule. I'm not joking. If a Muslim is going to be honest with you,

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that's what they'll tell you. No, no, no. Christianity is Christ did die on the cross.

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That God did die for us. That's how you get forgiveness of sins. Listen, Muslims, they don't

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have forgiveness of sins. Every Muslim that's listening to me right now, they are lost in their

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sins. They have no way of absolving their sins. By the way, the same is true today for Judaism,

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because they reject that Jesus is the Lamb of God. They, as Muslims, try to do away with their

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sins by working hard and doing good deeds, depends on what sect that you belong to is how that's

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worked off. That said, what are we talking about here? We've got Jesus, so listen, Jesus born as a

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baby. Did Jesus, did Jesus wear diapers? Some of you, I can hear your brakes slamming on right now.

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And you're going to be tempted right now to mess up. Did Jesus wear diapers? What are diapers for?

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Did Jesus wet his diaper? Did Jesus soil his diaper? Well, did you? The answer to that is yes.

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Some of you are saying, I can't think like that. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Listen, the real Jesus of

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the Bible doesn't break. In fact, this podcast might help you shatter a false view of God.

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But it may help you understand just how much He loves you and what He went through to save you from

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your sins. Did Jesus ever have a mood or an attitude? Yes. Did Jesus when He was playing games fall

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down and skin his knee? Did Jesus ever cut his fingers working in the carpenter shop? Yes.

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So how could you say that? Because I understand what the Bible teaches about Kenosis and I understand

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about what the Bible teaches about incarnation. Christ became one of us. Did Jesus burp? Yes.

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Did He get hungry? Yes, of course He did. Yeah. Did Jesus go to the bathroom? Yes. He had the

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exact same body that you and I have. Did Jesus feel cold and heat? Yes. Did Jesus get thirsty?

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We know the answer to that, don't we? Are you hearing me? See, we have a tendency when we

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religionize our Jesus and make him somebody who is so deified to the point where we've actually

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misappropriated and wrongly defined the word deify that Jesus actually when he walked on earth didn't

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touch the ground. That's false. That's false. His feet got dirty. His feet got cold. Jesus had dreams.

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Jesus was tempted, tempted to respond like we do to things but He only responded according

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to what pleased the Father because He had such a grip of the Word of God that He yielded to the

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power and the authority of the Word of God. That's why the Bible says He grew in grace and knowledge

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both with God and man. He had found favor and grew in stature. He grew in body. He grew up.

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This is fun. Listen, I don't know about you, but when I was growing up, my mom, God bless her.

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My mom used to rub my knees when I was a little kid and my ankles because I had

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have severe leg aches. Do you guys remember anybody? Remember Ben gay? Ben gay? What's the word?

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Endistic bomb. How about Tiger bomb? Something like that. Voltron. You rub on your joints because

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they hurt so bad. Did Jesus have growing pains like we have? Yep. He had them.

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Did Jesus get dust in his eyes? Yes. All of this Jesus lived and did without sin. In other words,

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Jesus didn't get an eye dirt in the eye and cuss about it. Jesus got dirt in the eye and

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might have even thought, dog, gone it. This is the third time today somebody threw dirt in my eyes.

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Ouch. That was the end of it for him. The thought could have come out here on the porch as it

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were of the mind. Man, you had to go punch that guy, Jesus. Nope. That would be carnal. That

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would be not pleasing to my father. I'm not going to do that. He actually went through this

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stuff and some of you theologians who can't cope with Christ being so applicable or having

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our time with that right now. He was tempted in all points like us yet without sin. The scripture

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says. And so when the Bible tells us that Jesus grew up,

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he did so that you and I might relate to him and be able to cry out to him and say things

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like this if you're 15 years old. Jesus, I'm scared. I don't understand. This is what's happened

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in my life or this is what's going on. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Jesus will speak

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to you back and say, I know exactly what you're talking about to the fullness. I know exactly what

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you mean. Jesus, nobody wants to talk to me. People have cut me off. I'm the black sheep of the

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family or I'm the weirdo at school, the weirdo meaning I'm the nerd. Should I even be living?

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Jesus will say to you, I know exactly how you feel. It's very painful to be misunderstood and

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it's very painful to be ostracized. I know exactly what you're talking about. See, we think that

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God is so God and Jesus is Jesus that this this setting is so removed from us that we believe in

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God, but he's so far away that he doesn't really know that's that's agnosticism

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that God created, but he cannot be known in nor does he really know much about us because he created

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it all and then he walked away. Where does the Bible teach that? nowhere. No, Bible teaches the

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opposite. So how much can we press this truth? We can press it pretty far without at any time

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going off of our center line. When Jesus said, for example, in the gospels, it records that

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Jesus does a miracle and the scribes and Pharisees are down the street grumbling about it

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and they decide to go approach him to confront him on it. The Bible will tell us that Jesus knowing

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their thoughts said to them, right? Or the woman caught in the act of adultery. Jesus knowing

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him said to them, he was he was without sin. Let him cast the first stone, right? Watch this.

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Jesus did not. Are you listening? This is going to get your attention. Wake up. Jesus did not

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walk around knowing everybody's thoughts when he was in human flesh. That's Kenosis. Could he?

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Yes, in an instant. He could have. He could have said, I want to know all of Jack's thoughts right

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now. Kenosis is this. I Jesus willfully lay aside. I said it right over here. All of my knowledge

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as God. I'm living my human life before my creation. So that, listen, so that they will be able to

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relate to me to know that I do know what it's like to obey my Father. I know what it's like to

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obey the Word of God. The very thing I'm asking them to do, I'm their forerunner. I'm their prototype.

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So when Jesus says, if you love me, keep my commandments. Well, I do love the Lord, so do you,

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but we find it hard to keep his commandments. We want to, but what gets in the way? Our sin

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nature, doesn't it? Jesus had a human nature, but he didn't have a sin nature. He was tempted

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yet without sin. So what is this? He's flesh. He's 100% human, but he's 100% God at the exact same

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time, the incarnation. It means that Jesus did not have a sin nature like you and I have.

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Jesus came to us from perfection and took on our humanity. You and I came from sin and grew up

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as human adults as we are today. How about this? David said, speaking on behalf of all of us,

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I was conceived in sin. Jesus was not conceived in sin. That's why God the Father is His Father,

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not Joseph of Joseph and Mary. Very important. You think that through. You think that through.

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You have to think that through. How about this, everybody? In 1 Timothy 2.5, for there is one

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mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. The man Christ Jesus is a dilemma right there

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for many people, not for the Christian. It's comfort because the man Christ, the Bible doesn't

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teach that Christ is man as you and I are. The Christ Christ is Messiah. The Messiah, according to

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Genesis 3.15, the Messiah promised is divinity, Genesis 3.15. Listen, my Jewish friends. Go read

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Moses. Genesis 3.15. Go read it. That's all you need to read. Genesis 3.15.

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And then contact me. Email me. Let me know. Genesis 3.15 says,

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a human female is going to bring into the world divinity that has always existed. He'll be a son

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and he will crush the works of Satan. That man cannot save ourselves. God will become a man

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to save us. All of that is in 1 verse in the Bible. Genesis 3.15. If you're Hebrew and you can read

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Hebrew, you are going to, you should be happier than anybody else once you read it. So what are we

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talking about here? Hang on. Hang on here. Here we go. You know what? We're out of time.

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We're going to have to stop here. I can hear you screaming at me from, I can hear that. Look,

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you got to go. I got to go. We keep our podcast to about 30 minutes. We've been going for 33

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minutes. We have to stop. We're going to pick it up. I'm going to stay right here. I'm going to

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go to the bathroom. I'm going to come back. I'm going to have some tea and I'll be talking to you

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again in a few moments. So do I do my neurostick? Listen, we at Real Life and the Jacob's podcast,

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we believe it's time for you to live out what you believe. It's time for real life. Authenticity is

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is what's needed in the church today. True, sanctified, individuals, living their lives for God

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as imperfect as we are, but we are authentically following Jesus. That's called real life.

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